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  1. Ran a search on the 7th Gen forum and didn't see a thread for this, so here goes:

    I decided to check CARiD again to see if anybody has started making stiffer shocks for 7th Gen Leggys. In the course of that search, I noticed that the site also says that this part will fit our cars:

    https://www.carid.com/megan-racing/front-sway-bar-mpn-mrs-su-1190.html?singleid=5289316143&url=141030559

    There are some anomalies here. First, the notes say, "Combine with MRS-SU-0391 rear sway bar for a balanced feel." If you put that part number into the search, you get a sway bar that is apparently designed for 5th Gen cars. Huh.

    So, I went directly to the source and searched the part number on Megan Racing's site:

    https://meganracing.com/mrs-su-1190

    They say that the bar is for 6th gen cars.

    I searched for the rear sway bar as well. Megan says it fits 5th and 6th Gen Leggys. ...K.

    Simple answer: It's CARiD. Duh. It's not always accurate.

    Possible more complex answer: As with Whiteline, a lot of parts makers have not test fit their Outback parts or their older parts on the low-volume 7th Gen Leggy platform. Megan's front sway bar could be a similar situation.

    Has anyone tried to fit this bar yet?

    (Just ordered a Whiteline rear sway bar for 30% off (plus another first time buyer 10% off for letting my cart sit idle for a few days). The adjustable end links have arrived, but, strangely, the bar hasn't even shipped...)

  2. On 4/4/2024 at 4:05 PM, laufu said:

    However, similar to what you observed on the highway, if you just press down on the accelerator without stomping from a stop, the Subarus will accelerate hard. It is just Subaru being weird. 

    Momma ECU ain't gonna let you overtorque that CVT chain ... but it's also emissions. Popping the throttle wide open quickly will dump unburnt fuel out of the exhaust. The ECU and the emissions control stuff on the heads try to stop that from happening. But, yeah, the programming feels weird. Give it a nudge and then drop the hammer, and you get much better response than just straight punching it.

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    News that 2025MY will be the last and no more.

    I hate to say it, but this might be the sign that the Outback is finally going hybrid. It's easier to hide a battery pack in a chunky crossover than a sedan. Word is that the WRX is going hybrid, so that may become their only sedan option. This kinda sucks for the remaining sedan lovers here, but it's good for the brand.

    This does complicate the search for an AWD replacement sedan, though. I'm hoping the rumored Mazda 6e, based on the CX-70/90 platform, is AWD. Otherwise, I'm looking at the next Lexus ES, which should spiff up the new hybrid, AWD Camry platform. And I guess there's always BMW ... and their Legendary Reliability.

  4. Just finished updating my 2021 Legacy Touring XT (and the wife's 2020 Outback Touring XT) with the latest dealer-available software update.

    Wow. It's almost a different unit now. Fast system boot. Vastly improved HVAC and seat controls. Far more responsive Apple CarPlay. And ... an Automatic Brake Hold button on the home screen, where it always needed to be.

    For reference, I completed the over-the-air (OTA) update last year, and it did a bit to increase stability, but it was not a substantive change. This USB update took a half hour to complete and completely updated the hypervisor, the software that runs the subsystems that occupy the three main sections of the 11" screen. My wife's Outback received a recall-mandated head unit replacement a few years ago as well as an OTA update last year. The Nov 23 update for her car (a different installation file set) did not update the hypervisor and only took 10 minutes to complete. It appears the the Nov 23 update brought my car up to the modern base software and both cars up to the model year '23 interface.

    Subaru has created a very complete installation guide - including warnings, cautions, and notes - that is designed for even the most non-computer people. There are some tricky parts. First, you need to ensure that the USB is formatted in NTFS, and not the default FAT standard. That's very easy to do on a Windows box. The installation clocked in at 6GB for my "high" install. I pulled it from good old chvvkumar's repository. Second, the file names are not intuitive, so you need to be very sure you have the correct file. The files vary by model year, trim, and release date. Strangely, they do not vary by model; both Outbacks and Legacies use the same installations if they share a model year and trim. You do not need to update in sequence. You only need the latest software. Finally, there is the secret button press "Konami code" to get into the dealership menu. Steady presses are the key. Don't just bang on the tuner button.

    Don't feel like messing with this? Still under your 3/30K warranty? You should be covered by a technical service bulletin. Take it to the dealer and make them do it. It's worth the hour or so.

    I'm going to be keeping an eye on stability. If it's going to crash or do something dumb, it's going to do it within the next month. Subaru software usually doesn't make you wait too long. I will also be checking to see if there are any unadvertised changes/improvements in the settings menus.

  5. On 12/24/2023 at 11:43 AM, dgoodhue said:

    My advice is don't google a topic and pretend to be an expert.

    Heysoos Christos. This thread was about carbon, and erryboddy starts arguing like these cars run on cable-actuated throttle bodies. Anybody mention a single thing about crankcase ventilation? PCV valves? Catch cans? Or ... I dunno, PULLING THE INTAKE MANIFOLD AND SHOVING A BORESCOPE INTO THE BLOODY HO-

    Sorry. Sorry. I'll calm down. I promise.

    Has anyone with a 2020+ Turbo Legacy or Outback pulled the manifold and checked their actual, physical valves? Anybody? Anybody actually pay for a walnut shell blasting on their intake valves?

    Make it up. Pretend to be a Subaru tech with 85 years of experience and a pristine employment record. I don't care. Just demonstrate that you understand the full topic at hand.

    [Injector cleaner is great for your direct injector nozzles. I use it every other oil change. It will do piss all for the intake valves , which is where carbon buildup should be your biggest concern, given the history of DI engines. Toyota uses dual injection - port and direct - to fix this problem and keep valves clean. Also, do not discount that your ECU "learns" how you drive and adjusts your throttle map accordingly. It does so with efficiency, not performance, in mind, since Subaru's CAFE average is approaching godawful with these inefficient pancake engines. Products like Pedal Commander claim to be able to fool your ECU into behaving more predictably.]

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  6. Dammit, that was going to bother me, so I checked. It appears that both the 2022 Sport and Touring XT used the same strut numbers as my 2021. The theory lives on...

    (Wait, what if these are just cheaper, crappy struts from a base model that they put on to "stiffen up the ride?")   😲...🤬

    Huh, looks like even the lowliest 2.5 base crate gets the same shocks as my '21 Touring. 🤷‍♂️

    Please, someone prove me wrong here. I want to believe that I can spend $700 on OEM parts and get my car to stop wafting side-to-side like a 18th Century fishing vessel.

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  7. When Subaru announced the 2023 Legacy in May, they paid special attention to the introduction of an upgraded Sport trim, promising "sport-tuned suspension." The new model is hitting lots now - in limited quantities - and it now has a listing in the online parts catalog. I'm curious if it's worth driving, or if it's just a Limited XT with polyvinyl seats, throttle setting controller, and a red stripe.

    So, I did a completely arbitrary and unscientific dive into the drawings and BOM. I am no configuration management expert, but there appears to be suspension changes that are unique to the 2023 Sport model, at least from a part number perspective. Again, lots of things can change part numbers, including supplier changes or the substitution of parts with slightly different but acceptable parameters for the design (the supply chain is a wreck right now).

    I'm assuming that Subaru is making no major changes to its suspension architecture for one trim of one of its least popular models. I chose to look at coils, shocks, and sway bars, because that's low hanging fruit for most amateur suspension changes. I did not look at bushings, because I am easily bored.

    Both the new Legacy Sport and Touring XT are using the same coil part number as my 2021 Touring XT (20380AN00A). Both new cars have a new rear sway bar number (20451AN00C) that differs from my car (20451AN00A). While the drawing points to the sway bar (drawing number 20451), the part entry is labelled "stabilizer bushing." It's possible the bushing number changed due to supply constraints or whatevs. The front sway bar number remains unchanged.

    (What is the point of this post, Fuzz-) SHOCKS. Shocks are where a lot of change shows up. (They kinda look like struts to me...) Subaru called them "shock absorbers," Imaginary Straw Man, so that's what I'm calling them. The rear shock absorber for both my 2021 and the 2023 Touring XT (drawing number 20365) is listed as 20365AN00A. The 2023 Sport model has this listing as well as another part number - 20365AN03A. Both left and right front shocks have a similar dual listing, sharing the 20310AN00A and 20310AN01A part numbers with the 2021 and 2023 Legacies (Legacys?) as well as additional 20310AN06A and 20310AN07A numbers.

    (Did you check the 2022 numbers to see if these where introduced last model year during the pandemic?)   😲

    Here's the link to the Subaru online parts catalog. Have fun; be safe; etc...

     
     
  8. On 9/12/2022 at 12:54 AM, avk said:

    Since the suspension geometry was mentioned, how different is it actually between Legacy and Outback?

    Guess that's my next homework assignment. Eyeballing it? I'd say it's all springs and struts. The links and arms look identical. Had difficulty getting good pictures for comparison, since my phone wants to adjust for the ambient light, not the shaded components. The 7th gen Legacy also rides much like a 6th gen Outback, meaning it's hilariously fun on rough roads, but wobbles too much for my taste on pavement, without all that cushy springage to make it pleasant.

  9. On 2/15/2022 at 7:41 AM, Stuff said:

    The Outback has a different sway bar than the Legacy. I don't think that it will fit.

    On 2/15/2022 at 3:20 PM, fuzzysoul said:

    How much difference are we talking here?

    On 2/15/2022 at 11:00 PM, Stuff said:

    Not sure how different but what it connects to has different part numbers as well. Different bushings so I wonder if it has a different thickness.

    Had an excess of spare time today, so I backed my '21 Legacy and my wife's '20 Outback onto the ramps and did some measuring. TLDR: I'd bet money these are the exact same part.

    Caveats: You are getting this information from a stranger on the Internet. The tools used here include a 15-year-old, Imperial-only Lowes tape measure and a cheap, metric-only digital caliper from Amazon. Your mileage WILL vary, and you should do your own due diligence.

    Diameter-wise, both sway bars are 19mm. The outer width of both bushings at the widest point is 43mm (remember, the aftermarket bar would be thicker and have different inner diameter in the bushing to fit). The width of tongues (tongues? tongues!) on the bars is 6mm on both.

    Those are the "precise" measurements. Now for some wild Imperial eyeballing with a rusty carpenter's tape:

    The distance between tongues is 38.25" on both. The length from outside bend to outside semicircular bend (just making up terms here) is 41.5". The "depth" of the tongue from endpoint to the semicircular bend is 5.5" on both.

    I'm convinced these parts are - dimension-wise - identical. There is a piece of what looks like red tape on the passenger side of my Legacy's bar near the semicircular bend. This could be an inventory thing, or it could indicate that the bar has different metallurgical properties. 🤷‍♂️

    So, if the Whiteline bar would be a drop-in replacement for a Legacy bar, why haven't they just checked the Seventh Gen Legacy box on their database and tacked on a few sales? I'm guessing that it's a safety testing issue or that the addition of a stiffer bar on the Legacy's lowered suspension geometry has some unpleasant side effects on the ride.

    Subaru has promised a "sport-tuned suspension" on the '23 Legacy Sport. Might mean we are getting some new goodies in the OEM parts catalog soon...

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  10. Anybody switched out side mirror caps yet? I'm not a fan of the plastichrome ones on the Touring XT. I looked for a tutorial for a 6th gen Outback. Found a lot of stuff for Foresters and WRXs, but all the Outback/Legacy content was for older gens. Those mirrors appear far less complicated.

     

    I imagine this is accomplished by removing the lower back trim piece first or by shifting the mirror out of the way and popping the tabs out. After probing around the mirror housing with a trim tool, I started to get flashbacks of trying to replace a battery in an iPad. Decided it was best to seek an experienced opinion...

  11. Buyers of Legacys are not looking for compliments and appreciate a damn good car. For posers please refer to the cocks driving BMWs and Audis. IMHO.

     

    Drove an Accord and Camry while car shopping. The Legacy is absolutely a better car. Also drove a 340i and an A4. The Legacy is not a better car than the A4 (or the 21' Acura TLX), but the Legacy offers far more bang for buck, especially in the Touring trim. The 340i is a very different car, and one I wouldn't readily compare to the Legacy. Never drove an A6 or a 5 series. But it's not worth buying an Audi or Bimmer lease victim/basketcase to have that experience at the cost of a new Legacy. I really struggled with the Legacy versus a used Lexus GS350. In the end, the Legacy's full warranty, modern head unit, and far more ample rear seat room won me over.

     

    I do not love the Legacy's gigantic rear end, mismatched wheel wells, or truckish front end, but I do love that it's a total NPC car. It's a turbocharged sleeper that TruckBros never see coming. It cleans up well, and passengers are always impressed by the interior and the smoothness of the suspension and CVT. The Touring trim is a true luxury car, and the Limited is still one of the best "Japanese" sedan interiors outside of the luxury segment.

  12. I see there is now a roof rack accessory option for the legacy. Anyone know if there are actual bolt holes to secure the roof rack to on the new model? Curious to know because Ive had a roof rack with the standard clamp on feet on my 2012 and it was ripped off and stolen about a month after I installed it. Would love to have an actual attachment point to the roof frame.

     

    I have a 21 XT, and the roof seam has four hatches/flaps that flip up to reveal the bolt holes. I picked up the crossbars at purchase this summer to have a quick solution for kayaks. They are ... meh. Loud and flimsy (about 80 lbs of capacity), but cheap. Yakima and Thule bars are stupid expensive and hard to find right now.

  13. New to both Subaru and this forum. Probably a dumb question, but is this upgrade specific to vehicles without the upgraded audio? My car came with the Harman Kardon Premium Audio System upgrade, so I assuming this is something that would not benefit my car.

     

    Not a dumb question. The HK system leaves a LOT to be desired. Might just need a tweeter upgrade, though. I found the dash tweeter swap in my 2017 Premium Crosstrek to be the most effective at improving the sound (without adding a sub). I swapped the door speakers as well and was surprised to find that they weren't paper cone trash and had a built in baffle. I noticed the same muffled high frequency issue in the Legacy, despite that center dash speaker.

  14. 1) Speak clearly at a normal tone and volume. Do not yell at it.

    2) Drive the Jeep.

    3) Sell it and buy another Jeep.

     

    So clever. You must be very proud of yourself.

     

    The system must be trained on grumpy men from Indiana, because it is HILARIOUSLY bad at understanding anyone else.

     

    Hate to say it, but I find the whole nav/AI part of the head unit to be useless. I just plug in the phone and use Apple Carplay. Not perfect, but better than the default.

  15. Is there a way to permanently disable the pre-collision braking? I know I can shut it off by going into the car settings, but I have to do that every time I drive.

     

    Also very interested in a permanent hardware/software fix for this. Don't expect much from this forum. It's crawling with Subaru astroturfers who never seem to have any problems with THEIR cars, because the live in The Great Lonely Waste where nothing like actual road conditions ever upset the delicate sensibilities of this hysterical sensor suite.

  16. I have none of the issues you have with my 2021 Limited XT. I love the car and can't wait to get in it and drive it every day.

     

    It seems like you knew you were going to hate the car before you even bought it. That begs the question: Why on earth did you buy it?

     

    The "Subaru Ambassador" has no issues... Pardon my skepticism.

     

    Every car has issues. Every car purchase is a balance and a compromise between desires, resources, and availability. Nobody makes a Volvo body with a BMW drivetrain, Lexus interior, Audi displays, and Acura SH-AWD at a Camry price. The Legacy has myriad issues, which are readily evident to anyone who drives it regularly and dynamically. Most of these issues are cost and mileage compromises that I readily accept, given its market positioning and the fact that the ride, cabin noise, features, handling, and interior volume and quality punch far above the price point.

     

    Other issues are the result of, frankly, subpar software development. This driver monitor problem (as well as the emergency braking reset) is a unique mix of incompetence and crappy political behavior at the expense of the customer. It is very fixable through a software update, and Subaru should do so.

     

    I am absolutely planning to physically disable this "feature". However, an interesting point raised here is that this may not be a problem in Canada. US-only regulatory shenanigans?

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