Alternative to the HKS Camp II :D

Check out the Magden M1.b !

Sorry no link, ya just have to do a Search!

Found it first over on NASIOC.

I may just pull the trigger on this one.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=25623349

Here's a comparison of the Camp2 and M.1b.

 

Both our systems extract engine data and optional extra sensors in order to display them on a screen.

A side by side comparison yields the following pros and cons.

 

Things that CAMP2 has that M.1 does not:

+ ECO drive

This mode allows you to calculate fuel consumptionhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2a.gif and cost for a given distance driven. Although I do not agree with how they designed the user interface, this is a nice feature that we have in the pipeline as well (with some extra things) for release. We do, however, display real-time MPG in our current release.

 

+ F-Con mapping mode

Allows you to change the mapping of HKS' own standalone ECU. Not necessarily a good thing for your warranty dept. Some users would expect this from an HKS integration, but Magden has never stated the ability to control engine functions.

 

+ Consult-I mode.

This mode reads high-speed ECU data from older Nissanshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2a.gif such as the Skyline. We implemented the protocol for the M.1 that we have featured in the upcoming Fast and Furious (4) movie, and haven't released it yet.

 

+ More gauges on screen.

We chose to limit ourselves to five gauges due to the speed of the OBD-II port (see Speed paragraph below), while CAMP2 has up to seven gauges. Our research and focus group studied this. We had anywhere from 8 gauges down to 3. Anything more than 5 is too many for the user to comprehend while driving, but for the money, 5 is a better value than the 3, which is the typical traditional gauge package.

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Things that M.1 has that CAMP2 does not.

+ More graphics options.

We have (stock) three main layouts, where each layout has multiple background skins, gauge materials and text colors, giving the owner far more options to customize the M.1. I will leave to others to judge whose graphics are better looking.

 

+ Dynamic HP and Torque.

After a power run, which writes a HP and torque curve to any inserted USB stick and shows you peak dynamic HP and torque, the M.1 will show you real-time HP/torque.

 

+ Gear Position

Shows you the current gear for your manual or automatic transmissionhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2a.gif. (Requires that the vehicle can be in a specific gear during calibration.)

 

+ Longitudinal acceleration

Given in thousands of a G. If you log this channel you can see your peak acceleration.

 

+ More flexible logging to USB stick.

CAMP2 is limited to ten minutes of logging, while the M.1 can log 19 days on the 1GB USB stick that comes with the unit. You can also log multiple sessions with the M.1, storing each session in a separate file on the stick.

Most importantly, you can plug the USB stick with your logs into your PC and analyze your logs in Excel or a data log analytics software.

 

+ VGA or DVI touchscreen support.

We output a composite video signal just like CAMP2, but we also support VGA or DVI touchscreens from Lilliput, Xenarc and others. The VGA (and especially DVI) image quality is superior to that of composite video.

 

+ Upgrades and expansions.

This is potentially the biggest difference between CAMP2 and the M.1. While CAMP2 allows you to attach extra sensors, you are pretty much locked into HKS own extensions.

 

We designed the M.1 to integrate with a wide variety of other companies' hardware and allow it to be upgraded with new features over the Internet. Right now, we have the Zeitronix Zt-2 package and the Innovate LC-1 in process. We also have other protocols so that we can widen the usability of an existing M.1 box, thus protecting the initial M.1 investment that our customer made. For example, your Subaru works on the SSM protocol, which we will release in a couple of months. This allows very high speed data transmission.

 

+ Speed (long, and a bit philosophical)

If you have a look at this <

video at 1:08, you will see that the update speed of the CAMP2 on a Nissan 350Z is very slow. This is not due to the CAMP2 itself, but rather because of the OBD-II protocol used by the Z. There are several variants of the OBD-II protocol, and the ISO-9141/KWP-2000 version is almost always too slow to be useful for serious tuning.

 

Please note that the 2007/8 models of Subaru, Mitsubishi and others use the fast CAN version of OBD-II, with data channels being sampled at 20hz. So no need to worry.

 

While CAMP2 seems to accept this slow data rate (5Hz in the 350Z case), and have slow vehicles on their approved application list, we keep those cars off our list until we have implemented the OEM specific high-speed protocol that is almost always available in the OBD-II connector.

 

An example of this is the Evo IX which is slow over standard OBD-II (ISO-9141 again), but gives us 60hz sampling rate over the MUT-III protocol that we are finishing up right now.

 

Now, this is just between aftermarket products. We don't need a whole system of hardware to make this work. Let me know if we can come down and make a presentation.

I like the fact that you don't have to use their proprietary sensors(like HKS)

Another link:

http://blogs.modified.com/6306660/miscellaneous/magden-m1b-digital-dash-gauge-display/index.html

LOL...okey dokey then.

Thanks Camber

Still checking E-bay but I'm certain that those that have one aren't parting with it anytime soon.

I have a friend looking into better pricing for the CAMP II

Still checking E-bay but I'm certain that those that have one aren't parting with it anytime soon.

 

I have a friend looking into better pricing for the CAMP II

How much does the CAMP II usually go for?

there's one for sale on NASIOC right now.. in the interior forums.

I have dibs on that one. Sale is pending the seller sending me his paypal address.

I have dibs on that one. Sale is pending the seller sending me his paypal address.

awesome. do i get a finder's fee.. LOL

... i'll be in the corner... ROFL..

No I found that on my own a couple of days ago

I just sent payment. I'll be sure to get video and will probably do a write up.