one bad bg Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 ok so heres the short story, trust me you dont wanna know the long version. so last november i blew my motor, i had a shop replace the block. they bought the block from some company in texas. the company said they would warranty it for a year. woohoo. so 4 months later i see oil in my coolant. so i take it back to the shop. they said the company wont warranty it because its driver error, the freezer plug was warped. so i asked what a freeze plug is and the shop told me that its a led plug in the block thats set to melt at 250 degrees. as most of you know, normal opp temp is between 180 and 210. so the freeze plug is there to tell the company if the engine has overheated or not. mind you in that 4 months my temp never rose above normal. so now im stuck with an out of warranty block, with some freeze plug thats warped and is letting oil in my coolant but not coolant in my oil. wtf. so my question is, can this "freeze plug" be repaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 That is not what a freeze plug is for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_plug It is still ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one bad bg Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 ok so i read the link, does that mean it can be repaired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Freeze plugs can be replaced. I had one corrode and fall out of my 6 cylinder Cherokee. I don't understand how a freeze plug failure could cause the coolant and oil to mix. The freeze plug has nothing to do with the oil passages. Are you sure they are describing a freeze plug failure? It makes no sense to me. It is still ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekay Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 +1 I think that shop is full of s@#$! Take it somewhere else and have them diagnose the problem. If they can prove it isn't "driver error" (which also doesn't make sense if they're blaming the freeze plug) then you should still have a block under warranty. My 9.3 cups EJ22 makes me feel like my **** is 2.8 decimeters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one bad bg Posted September 27, 2009 Author Share Posted September 27, 2009 their claiming it driver error cause "i let the car overheat" which it never did, but thanx a bunch for the input i will take it to another shop cause ive nothing but problems with the shop that did the swap. the cel has been on since they did the swap and they said they cant fix it....thats a bunch of crap. and guess what, their not doing engine or block swaps anymore, i wonder why??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05pearl Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 ^^ small claims court ftw if you have the paperwork showing warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one bad bg Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 ill have to dig it up but i know i have it in a filing cabinet. ill take it to another shop first to see what they say, i heard of this small shop near my house that has 2 certified subaru specialist working there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05pearl Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Get the small claims paperwork from the courthouse. Fill it out and fax them a copy of it. Tell them if they will not fix your car, you will file it within 48 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cman7 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Sounds like head gasket failure if you ask me. Oil in the coolant or coolant in the oil usually signifies bad gaskets. Especially for a EJ25. But yes. As for the warranty I would threaten to take them to small claims court. Sounds like they're a bunch of schemers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one bad bg Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 but thats the weird thing, usually if you have oil in your coolant, ull haver coolant in your oil but my oil is clean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cman7 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 but thats the weird thing, usually if you have oil in your coolant, ull haver coolant in your oil but my oil is clean Sounds like head gasket failure if you ask me. Oil in the coolant or coolant in the oil usually signifies bad gaskets. Not necessarily. There are even some cases of head gasket failure where no coolant is envolved. My buddies RS was simply leaking oil and it ended up being the head gaskets. Coolant and oil were fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one bad bg Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 That is not what a freeze plug is for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_plug ok so for the sake of argument cause i know their gonna give me problems, lets just say my car did overheat, could the core plug have been damaged. because that link says its damaged by corrosion, not overheating. im just trying to cover all angles before i take a bunch of paperwork to this shop and theaten small claims. cause their trying to, like i said before, pin it on me that i let the car overheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05pearl Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 ^^ You don't need to argue with them or let them know your technical position. Just fax them the paperwork and tell them you will be filing it in the courthouse if they do not warranty it. And, tell them once it's filed, you are adding the filing fee to your claims. It will be up to them to prove in court that the engine failure was due to you. Crap, even if they claim it overheated, it's still their fault. They sold you an engine that overheated. Oh, and by the way, the wiki says the freeze plugs are there to pop out if the engine gets too cold to keep the coolant from expanding and cracking the block. They are not there to melt in case of overheating. If they use that crap story in court, you can show how full of it they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one bad bg Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 very good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 If the engine overheated to the point of failure, it wouldn't run anymore. My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one bad bg Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 another good point. cause i still drive it daily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 ok so for the sake of argument cause i know their gonna give me problems, lets just say my car did overheat, could the core plug have been damaged. because that link says its damaged by corrosion, not overheating. im just trying to cover all angles before i take a bunch of paperwork to this shop and theaten small claims. cause their trying to, like i said before, pin it on me that i let the car overheat. I don't think overheating will cause damage to a freeze plug. I also doubt it failed due to corrosion since you said it had only been 4 months since the block had been replaced. If a freeze plug is in any way involved with your issue, I think its failure would have to be attributed to improper installation or improper plug for the application. I too think you have a head gasket failure. I have never heard of anything in an engine DESIGNED to melt to show that an engine has overheated. It is still ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one bad bg Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 apparently this company in texas that i got the block from said they installed this "lead plug" that starts melting at 250* so they can tell if a block they sold has over heated. But none of you have heard of anything like this then i guess i'll file some paper work tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Lead: Melting point 600.61 K, 327.46 °C, 621.43 °F What mixture of water/coolant and how high of pressure cap do you have to run to get to that temperature??? It is still ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one bad bg Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 wow, i didnt even think to look that up. yet again another good point, but they said its not melted its warped but even still thats a pretty high melting point for it to be warped at a normal operating temp of 190 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Have them put their diagnosis in writing for you so you can get a second opinion. You will soon find out what asshats they really are. It is still ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 they don't use 100% lead for meltaway plugs. They can mix different metals to get almost any temp My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 There are melt away plugs in engines??? It is still ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05pearl Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 There are melt away plugs in engines??? Sure, they are there to let the oil and coolant out even faster in the event of failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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