BAC5.2 Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 Obviously, the Harmon Kardon stereo is different. But what makes it different? Was there an actual headunit change between the old radios and the new ones? I ask because I am going to find out if the 6-disc headunit (the auto-HVAC unit) can swap into a single-disc car (with manual HVAC). The donor radio is from an 08 H6, and I've got an 09. Ideas? Input? I know no one has done this swap before, but as much info as possible would be great! Wiring diagrams for both cars would be fantastic! [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ean611 Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 Firstly, you cannot swap auto-HVAC into a manual HVAC car. Secondly, the "HK" head unit, is anything but. It's still a Panasonic unit with speaker level outs like the previous years. Bottom line, why would you want to do this? You have manual HVAC, you can get a kit from Crutchfield (or anywhere for that matter), and get a better aftermarket HU if that's what you want. If you want to keep the HK thing, (as there are custom settings for it in your factory amp), you can't change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted April 24, 2009 Author Share Posted April 24, 2009 I realize not being able to swap auto-HVAC into a manual HVAC car. That isn't what I am trying to do. The 6-disc changer ONLY came in the auto-HVAC cars. I want the 6-disc changer in my manual HVAC car. Instead, I am trying to get an OEM 6-disc changer into my single-disc car. The whole point is that I do not want an aftermarket HU. I'd rather keep it stock looking. I thought the HK system used an amp under the seat? [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ean611 Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 it does use an amp under the seat. However, you cannot get a 6 disc changer into your manual HVAC car using any OEM parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted April 24, 2009 Author Share Posted April 24, 2009 Again, this I realize. Despite this, I am STILL going to try. I don't mind cutting a small hole for the "load" button, and I don't mind looking at the PCB board and seeing what needs to be removed to de-integrate the HVAC control. I don't anticipate it to be TOO difficult, so as long as the headunits are functionally identical between the two model years, then I should be good to go. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ean611 Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 The manual HVAC vs automatic is significantly different. There is no way to de-integrate the HVAC from the radio. I say this as someone who has spent a lot of time modding the factory radio, and has a single DIN radio where my OEM radio used to be, along with my automatic HVAC controls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmarko Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Well, this could be interesting. Let us know how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2.5 Stick Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I ordered the Dash kit (NOT the cubby kit) from Crutchfield 2day, wanted to know, which Subaru harness I should use for the aftermarket receiver. I have manual A/C with the Harman Kardon Amp/Sub. Don't want to use factory sub anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVXdc Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I ordered the Dash kit (NOT the cubby kit) from Crutchfield 2day, wanted to know, which Subaru harness I should use for the aftermarket receiver. I have manual A/C with the Harman Kardon Amp/Sub. Don't want to use factory sub anymore. [edited my original reply, moved to 2.5 Stick's other thread here] '08 and '09 still use the same older-style 14-pin connector for speakers and power as previous Subarus. In the H/K system, the HU's 4 speaker outputs go to the H/K amp. The amp drives all of the car's speakers and subs (6 separate speaker outputs for the four doors and two tweeters, plus 2 outputs for the sub [the sedan's sub uses only 1 of the 2, the wagon's sub uses both]). There's no line-level umbilical between the HU and amp like on the McIntosh system. The H/K amp connects to the speakers via two new connectors. So if you're going to ditch the H/K amp, you'll either need to splice into the factory speaker wires somewhere between the amp and the speakers, or wait for one of the harness companies to release an amp bypass harness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 That is exactly the kind of info I wanted. So the HK amp can be used with an aftermarket headunit? [edited my original reply, moved to 2.5 Stick's other thread here] '08 and '09 still use the same older-style 14-pin connector for speakers and power as previous Subarus. In the H/K system, the HU's 4 speaker outputs go to the H/K amp. The amp drives all of the car's speakers and subs (6 separate speaker outputs for the four doors and two tweeters, plus 2 outputs for the sub [the sedan's sub uses only 1 of the 2, the wagon's sub uses both]). There's no line-level umbilical between the HU and amp like on the McIntosh system. The H/K amp connects to the speakers via two new connectors. So if you're going to ditch the H/K amp, you'll either need to splice into the factory speaker wires somewhere between the amp and the speakers, or wait for one of the harness companies to release an amp bypass harness. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVXdc Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 So the HK amp can be used with an aftermarket headunit? Yes. Just feed it the HU's four speaker outputs. HK probably custom-tailored the amp's EQ for the stock HU's, so no telling how good it will sound. I wonder if there are any knobs inside the amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Yes. Just feed it the HU's four speaker outputs. HK probably custom-tailored the amp's EQ for the stock HU's, so no telling how good it will sound. I wonder if there are any knobs inside the amp. I understand non-HK headunits do some EQ stuff that's volume dependent. Is it reasonable to think the HK unit doesn't do that? In other words, would the HK headunit be a better match to an aftermarket amp? Anyone knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Hi, i have a lot of connectors in my radio and one big one black in top row is not used. White one in the top right is current speaker out/vid in/vid out/sub out etc. Does anyone have info about HK connectors or wiremaps? Here below u can find a image. http://i39.tinypic.com/j6llqr.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2.5 Stick Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 H/K Unit is heavy DSP & EQ w/ volume. Sounds very high quality and "echoey" - but I just am used to more Volume so thats why i'm changing the system. FM radio output is very low, but AUX and CD output is clear and loud and bass can be heard from outside from a distance even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaja111 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I understand non-HK headunits do some EQ stuff that's volume dependent. Is it reasonable to think the HK unit doesn't do that? In other words, would the HK headunit be a better match to an aftermarket amp? Anyone knows? The Head unit is not Harman Kardon - it's stock. The "premium" portion of the HK premium system is just the amp and the speakers. I want the answer to the opposite of your question, would an aftermarket (or rather JL Cleansweep-ed stock) head unit be a better match to the Harman Kardon Amp and speakers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaja111 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Does anyone have info about HK connectors or wiremaps? Please? Anyone? I'm begging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad W Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I would love a pin out for that as well, anybody got it? Also, if there are two sub outs for the wagon, any chance that you could utilize the second on in a sedan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVXdc Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I've posted pin-outs for the connectors on the 2009 Harman/Kardon amplifier here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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