Penguin Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Great so it's like storing ammunition for a long period of time (except keeping any part of ammo wet is not such a great idea). Excellent I will have to try this sometime. What positive effect will aging have on wine? Is it similar to the smoothing/mellowing effect aging has on various whiskeys? If so, wouldn't this be more effective in the cask than a bottle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 You send me some ammo, and I will send you a bottle or two aging changes a lot of characteristics in wines but needs a good amount of tannins usually to do so. It can bring out certain flavors, make a harder wine softer, etc. Not all wines are good for aging; some are better drunk young. Wines are initially aged and stored in casks before bottling. I am not 100% sure, but I think the reason they are moved to bottles is that after a certain amount of time the wood actually reacts badly with the wine and develops on its own better in bottles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 You send me some ammo, and I will send you a bottle or two What caliber do you need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 MD 20/20 for when you want to talk to God Stay Stock Stay Happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Well, you want to be sure of what wines you are storing for a few years. Really, it will primarily be red wines that will benefit from aging, and of those, they will generally be wines that are traditionally higher in tannic acid. Many of those wines today are blended differently to make them drinkable earlier in their life. The challenge is to learn which wines can or will benefit from the aging process. Then you can find the values and hold on to them. Otherwise, you'll pay MUCH more for a wine someone else (vintner or distributor) has held onto and released later. As for the comparison to Whisky, it is much different. Whisky is much more like beer than wine in it's process. In fact, up until distillation, the process in making whisky is almost identical to that of beer. It is at the distillation phase that whisky starts to really take on it's nuanced flavors starting with the shape of the distillation tubes (I'm totally drawing a blank on what these things are actually called) **edit - these are called Pot Stills** and also to the type of casks they use. And especially the casks. In the production of fine Scotch Whisky for example, the whisky is always stored in recycled barrels, usually Sherry or Port casks, and it is from these casks that the color and some of those nuances are imparted to the whisky. When whisky comes from fermentation, it is completely clear just like vodka. Then the age of a whisky is determined by how long it rests in the cask, but you won't often find an actual year of production on a bottle of whisky. Wine, on the other hand, is aged based on when the grapes were picked, and the majority of the process takes place in a very short period of time (months) compared to that of whisky. Now we'll see how my post compares to that of Heights who is almost surely typing a response at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 MD 20/20 for when you want to talk to God Or you want to end up talking to the Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eVoMotion Posted October 1, 2008 Author Share Posted October 1, 2008 Large format ages more slowly... Huh, I've never been interested in Magnums. I figure if I like something, I'll buy a few bottles. Is there any advantage to the Magnum bottles other than show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Huh, I've never been interested in Magnum condoms. They keep falling off every time I try them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eVoMotion Posted October 1, 2008 Author Share Posted October 1, 2008 Great information (mostly) shared here. Barrels are porous and allow oxygen in. Large format bottle producers use the highest quality corks to reduce corkage. Some white wines can be aged - German/Alsacian Pinot Blanc, Gewurztraimers, Rieslings, French Sauternes & Chardonnay (in the form of true champagne - which is often aged a number of years before disgorged and sold). Preservative in white is not tannins like in reds, but acid mostly and sugars in some. 90% of wines today are produced to be sold and drunk. Some reds need 10-15 years to begin to come red to drink. Aging wine is easy - buy more than you can drink. ;-) It is fun to find something you like, buy a case or so and then drink some now, and hold some and open a bottle a year to see the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 ^^ this is what I would have written Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brady Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Penguin makes a condom joke and it doesnt get automatically deleted? Wtf is this commie shit ? Quoted for posterity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 well he made the joke and then he asked a serious question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gitster Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I contributed a$$h4t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JessterCPA Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Saw a double mag of Toasted Head at Gary's last night for $49. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eVoMotion Posted October 1, 2008 Author Share Posted October 1, 2008 Did I mention that most times I have bought a Mag or bigger, that they come in a nice wooden box. Bling factor, but more important - stacking and safety factor in the "cellar". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Yeah that's true. Do you actually have a wine cellar? That would be the advantage of having a house over having an apt. and a 48 bottle wine fridge + shelf storage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JessterCPA Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I have a couple of old racks in my crawlspace...does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eVoMotion Posted October 1, 2008 Author Share Posted October 1, 2008 Have house and 1000sq basement and cellar framed...a year ago. And a F-load of boxes of wine to step around...it is a problem...that I am happy to have. http://digitalfotographer.com/gallery/2/279_01_10_08_10_05_57.JPG Yeah that's true. Do you actually have a wine cellar? That would be the advantage of having a house over having an apt. and a 48 bottle wine fridge + shelf storage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JessterCPA Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Nice looking place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Very nice so the cellar has a wine specific area, or just the whole space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eVoMotion Posted October 15, 2008 Author Share Posted October 15, 2008 I bought a bottle of 05 Chateau Rieussec Sauternes for last weekend's party. It was spendy and drank like flavored water; so little, smooth and perfectly sweet, but not too honey-like. INSANE! I am sooo glad my friend had a birthday so I HAD to buy this bottle. It was definitely one of the most expensive retail bottles I have bought. Costco had it for $50 less than some wine shops. Wish I could drink this every day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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