Metal2You Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 How many times do we have to tell you that dealerships are useless after you've purchased the car?!?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyrosDesign Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Our (my wife's) 05 LGT wagon has pulled right since day one. My semantics regarding pulled/drifted are not fully developed. My sequence of actions: 1) had dealer rotate tires for 'radial pull', no change 2) had dealer perform a full 4 wheel alignment through a local alignment specialist (front caster was within 0.1deg, reported toe negligible all around). Yup that's right, no change 3) I had my control arms replaced due to ripping bushings. Post alignment, *no change* (alignment showed negligible toe all around and equal caster) 4) I swapped over to some JDM bilsteins and pinks (it's from a RHD car!!), post alignment *no change*. alignment again at zero toe all around, and about -1deg neg camber in the front. I also went to Sti BBS wheels at this stage, but their offset is stock. I have also frequented a stretch of freeway in orange country, Socal, and i have got the car to pull *left* through the above metamorphosis. I have concluded that the car is sensitive to road crown. I seem to recall an Aussie complaining of his car pulling left, and that kind of fits into the hypothesis. At any rate, I have learnt to ignore. So your saying after all your changes now it pulls to the left instead or its good now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g2redgsr Posted July 9, 2008 Author Share Posted July 9, 2008 more sensitive to road crowns is what i originally thought, like ive said its my first subaru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fivspeed Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 I know I've ready other threads about this issue, so you're not alone. Personally, mine tracks near perfectly straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastwgn286 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 It all depends on the road design in your area. When we design a road in Virginia, the road slopes at 2%. To the human eye, this is nearly undetectable, as it is a foot for every 50 feet and due to depth perspective and what not. Since crown designs are determined by state entities and can vary from year to year, decade to decade, the slope of the road can be more than the factory allowed for. Have you tried anything since the weekend? And does this happen on only a few roads, or every time you drive anywhere? Moar info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ping Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 So your saying after all your changes now it pulls to the left instead or its good now? No - still pulls to the right, but I think it is and always has been road crown-related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g2redgsr Posted July 10, 2008 Author Share Posted July 10, 2008 It all depends on the road design in your area. When we design a road in Virginia, the road slopes at 2%. To the human eye, this is nearly undetectable, as it is a foot for every 50 feet and due to depth perspective and what not. Since crown designs are determined by state entities and can vary from year to year, decade to decade, the slope of the road can be more than the factory allowed for. Have you tried anything since the weekend? And does this happen on only a few roads, or every time you drive anywhere? Moar info! anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfeign Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Even on perfectly flat roads, and with perfect alignment, cars will always drift every so slightly to the right in the USA. Oddly enough, it's because of the fall-asleep-at-the-wheel issue; they'd rather you end up punching through a soybean field than into coming traffic should you decide to turn control of the vehicle over the laws of chaos. It shouldn't "pull" though. In my experience working at a Sears Auto awhile ack, pulls were usually due to toe issues, occassionally caster (which I don't think you can change on LGTs), rarely camber, and very rarely because of a frame-bend- but that's only in cases of post-crash repairs. Other odd things that might do it: slightly screwy half-shaft, front springs that are off (most likely would have been caught in the alignment, though), steering column not set right when alignment was done (usually not an issue if you take it back a couple of times), or if one tire has seriously less tread than the other... I'm sure you would have mentioned that already, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g2redgsr Posted July 25, 2008 Author Share Posted July 25, 2008 I switched my front tires from left to right and now it's pulling left what does that mean now because they're brand new. Odd thing was that one had a stick on weight and one had both stick on and hammer on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 The weights shouldn't matter at all. You better make sure that the pressure is OK in all tires. Please note that most meters can have fairly bad precision when you measure the tire pressure so make sure that you use the same procedure for each measurement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastwgn286 Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 RAWR! i win! which wheel didn't have the hammered on weight? i wouldn't be surprised if it flew off sometime. also check the roundness of both tires and wheels. if one is out of round, that'll be the cause of this. double check pressure, then rebalance, then open the wallet for serious damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g2redgsr Posted July 27, 2008 Author Share Posted July 27, 2008 Could that be normal using one weight on one and two weights on the other? Could that one be in need of that much weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strabismo Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 My 02 WRX did that and my 06 LGT does that. Roads are leaning towards the outside for water drainage. Get out to a road where there is nobody around and drive on the left side. If it still pulls right then you actually have a problem. Otherwise it's just normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastwgn286 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 well, yeah, it's possible that only one weight was necessary, but realistically, that's highly unlikely. get that one rebalanced and try it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Weights are to compensate for uneven weight in the tire and rim. If you experience vibrations at certain speeds the balance may be off. The balancing is also important to minimize the risk of uneven wear on the tires. A constant pull to either side is not caused by the weights on the tires but more likely by incorrect adjustment of the wheel alignment and tire pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g2redgsr Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 i previously asked if i could switch my front left and right tires around without a problem. asking if they are directional and everyone said no, but why does it have an arrow on each wheel saying left and right? wouldnt that mean that i cant switch them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fkyx Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Yeah. Generally you want to follow the arrows. Doesn't Les Schwab do free checks on this kind of stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastwgn286 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 well, you're tires are directional then. once the car leaves the factory, any sort of tire can be mounted, and therefore we don't really have a clue if they are directional or not (hell, my tires off-road tires, something the Outback doesn't have stock). But, for the purpose of dianogistic investigation, you can drive with them mounted backwards for a brief period of time just to see if they are the cause of the problem, then switch them back to normal when you've determined they are a cause of the problem (which it seems to be) or rule them out. i concur with my swedish friend, the misbalanced tire would probably cause a vibration. since it pulled in the other direction though, something IS wrong with one of your tires probably being worn incorrectly or the pressures being wrong or something, which could be caused by an incorrect alignment or a manufacturing error from the tire company (which was my case with bad tire belts) or incorrect pressure. my suggestion is to take the tires off, one by one starting with the first passenger front tire, and roll it along the pavement (after topping off with air). if it leans too much to one side compared to the others, that tire needs replacing. and your alignment might be to blame. but that'll be another thread topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g2redgsr Posted July 29, 2008 Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 they both did fall over to the outside, they didnt stand up straight for even a second, i find that kind of odd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastwgn286 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 they should roll straight with a slight push, then fall over in a few feet. it sounds like you might need some new tires and a major camber adjustment. is the car lowered from stock at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 they both did fall over to the outside, they didnt stand up straight for even a second, i find that kind of odd... That depends on the rims and the width of the tires. Nothing unusual. What you have to do is to measure the thread depth around the tire to verify if it has uneven wear. Use a coin if you don't have a sliding scale. It's just the relative depth you need to compare. Just look out for the TWI markers because they have a different thread depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g2redgsr Posted July 30, 2008 Author Share Posted July 30, 2008 they should roll straight with a slight push, then fall over in a few feet. it sounds like you might need some new tires and a major camber adjustment. is the car lowered from stock at all? nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whobaru Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Mine has always had a slight drift to the right. Tried everything to get rid of it, and finally accepted it. I just hold the wheel ever so lightly when I drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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