mycl Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 http://www.subaru.pl/mmedia/volvo.qt The video speaks for itself..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTM 525 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Thats a V70 I just looked on Volvos site and they do not list that model as all wheel drive. Only the V70R is AWD and not sure if that was an "R" model.The XC70 however is standard all wheel drive and would have been a more fair comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sduford Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 No that's a V70XC, which is an older model with a poor AWD system. The current model (XC70) with the Haldex AWD system is much better and would probably pass that test no problem. Sylvain www.digitalfotographer.com - Audi Q5 Club - MB-GLK Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy05GT Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 well, no matter......PWN3D!!!111one1111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerdave Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 What sduford says. I drove a newer Haldex equipped XC70 in the snow in Steamboat Springs last year and it was acceptable... could even kick the rear out in the slower corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Slowest server ever, most boring video ever. That Volvo is FWD, what did they expect? And what language are they speaking? "Blah blah blah blah blah blah subaru oudddtaback". I want my click back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad21 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Obviously Swedish, and a slam to the Volvo brand when he drives off in the Subey! He was probably saying something like, "my countrymen better get it together in the AWD department as the Japanese are kicking our a$$es." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 No that's a V70XC, which is an older model with a poor AWD system. The current model (XC70) with the Haldex AWD system is much better and would probably pass that test no problem. all of Volvo's AWD systems, in even their new S60R vehicles, is still FWD biased and you can still feel the pause in the reshuffling of power to the rear wheels. whether or not it's inferior is one thing, but i find "haldex" to be relatively meaningless if the power is still FWD and then it has to kick power back to the rear wheels. you're still upsetting the balance of the vehicle at the limits of adhesion and this is why i would still opt for a constant feed of power to fronts and rears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sduford Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 You may very well be right, but I did hear somewhere that the new Haldex system is actually programmable to change the bias and that the XC70 uses something like a 95%/5% bias so as to minimize the reaction time and balance change when power is transferred to the back. I can't confirm if thats true, just something I read somewhere. Either way the XC70 would still pass the test in the video with no problem, and it would still meet the needs of those who are just looking for extra traction on slippery surfaces. Sylvain www.digitalfotographer.com - Audi Q5 Club - MB-GLK Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red beast Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 you should post that video at the vulva forums. fluga moonden flarga tooga smooga volvo sucka da biggie onea, ja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parousia Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Important to remember with front biased AWD the traction must be lost before transfer of power the the rear axle..... This is the reason that the Suby does so much better it starts with a much better balance of traction and so traction is not lost when climbing. Parousia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 But DUUUDE, that's super-advanced computer controller HAAAAALDEX when we just have a shitty viscous limiter! oh n000s! I mean only junk boxes like the gallardo's use viscous limiters! Of course the original post has been deleted http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=97921&postcount=65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agctr Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Thanks for the thread, great stuff..... but seriously, I dont need NO video to prove to me why the Scoob is (PERIOD) a better ride than the ...... can't even bring myself to say the car name. Adam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxerGT2.5 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Are cars aren't named after a womans genitalia. Nuff said! OBAMA......One Big Ass Mistake America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 I was more impressed with how SLOWLY he was able to get the volvo wheels to spin. My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeLoo Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 i would still opt for a constant feed of power to fronts and rears. But the fuel economy suffers from that compared to a FWD biased AWD system like Haldex. 2005 Legacy GT Wagon Ltd 5EAT Garnet Red 1999 GTI VR6 Black - sold but not forgotten... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 I was more impressed with how SLOWLY he was able to get the volvo wheels to spin. I noticed that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan2 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Thanks for the thread, great stuff..... but seriously, I dont need NO video to prove to me why the Scoob is (PERIOD) a better ride than the ...... can't even bring myself to say the car name. Adam. He's from Melbourne where driving a beige <insert that name> is positively deadly for your cred;) In fact any <insert again> is regarded about as fondly as a serious radiation source, and most drivers there try to stay well away from them Ya see, I am from there too, and I understand his feelings:D As for that video, Haldex vs VTD = (i believe the current term is) OWN3D *Haldex swears black and blue that their system really works as an AWD when it needs to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan2 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 P.S. Should add that for those who like "them" I am sure they fulfill all their needs smashingly well - more power to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XT6Wagon Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Anyone like to point out that most Subaru 4spd automatics have a 95/5 split until traction is lost? So get off your bloody brand Nazism, and start looking reality in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Anyone like to point out that most Subaru 4spd automatics have a 95/5 split until traction is lost? So get off your bloody brand Nazism, and start looking reality in the face. Thank you! We've been waiting for glorious enlightenment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parousia Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Anyone like to point out that most Subaru 4spd automatics have a 95/5 split until traction is lost? So get off your bloody brand Nazism, and start looking reality in the face. I appreciate your input as no doubt the rest of us do.... Care to include the actual tech details from Subaru for this statement? Parousia BTW the 4SPD Auto is in the >$30,000 models only, I don't even think Volvo has a vehicle with AWD even similarly equipped in that $ range. Just curious about the reliability of Volvo's AWD, so I checked out Consumer Reports to find that the reliability of the S60 AWD is rated @ -60% ....ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XT6Wagon Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Check Subaru's propaganda for the 2005 Legacy 2.5i auto. Which was the same transmission used in the 2004 Legacy GT limited wagon which IIRC also jumped the 30K mark w the usual port added options. I'm not saying that the Volvo system is in any way better or worse thay any given subaru AWD system, just that there are certain people here who bandwagon and brand nazi to an extreme extent. Oh and if *I* am calling someone a Subaru brand Nazi, its saying something. Lol personal rep for being a Subaru Nazi... Also keep in mind that the usual Volvo owner is a different ownerbase than the usual subaru owner. Teh usual Volvo owner doesn't mind paying more for exactly what they want. They also don't need bling bling on the spec sheet. They don't need to Dorifto every corner on the way into work. Most don't even need AWD, as FWD + traction control would work every bit as good. More so than the usual subaru 5spd with open front and rear diffs, and a "insta-nuke" center diff that is very easy to blowup if one axle is completely stuck and the other axle has no to minimal resistance. The 4spd autos are a bit better as the Torque converter acts like a "lsd" or "traction control" by the mere fact that its reluctant to increase the RPM even when one wheel breaks loose, thus preventing the slipping wheel from completely running away like a manual transmission car is prone to doing. Oh and if Volvo owners really cared... The AWD system they use can be set to run nearly any torque split you could care to name as its default torque split. So if the S60R crowd suddenly turned out to be the same people that shop for a EVO, it could get a rear biased torque split in a couple of DAYS. Just long enough to make a new ECU flash sent to the dealers. However since most S60R people cross shop 330 and 530's not EVO's and STis I don't see this happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parousia Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 The reason I am asking YOU to post the info on the "Subaru 4spd automatics have a 95/5 split" is because I am unable to find this info that you assert is a fact. Support your argument or its just worthless.............. Parousia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSB Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 He's from Melbourne where driving a beige <insert that name> is positively deadly for your cred;) Even Stanley Goodspeed drove a beige <won't say it> and he was a self admitted geek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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