SubieDriver Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 JD Power rates Subaru 14th most reliable car, based on reported problems. Tied with Chrysler and Pontiac. Lexus: Most Dependable Vehicle (Again) The article is a little muddy to wade through to get the first 13, but the slideshow clears up that group. They seem to have missed #17. They say Subaru, Pontiac, & Chrysler were tied for 14th, then list 18 - 37. Here's the list from the article: 1. Lexus, 136 2. Mercury, 151 3. Buick, 153 4. Cadillac, 163 5. Toyota, 179 6. Acura, 184 7. Honda, 194 8. Jaguar, 210 9. BMW, 212 10. Infiniti, 215 11. Lincoln, 220 12. Ford, 224 12. Oldsmobile, 224 14. Chrysler, 232 14. Pontiac, 232 14. Subaru, 232 17. 18. Mercedes-Benz, 240 19. Chevrolet, 241 20. Nissan, 242 21. Mazda, 243 22. Porsche, 248 23. Hyundai, 253 24. Dodge, 258 25. Mitsubishi, 260 26. Jeep, 264 27. Volvo, 272 28. Audi, 279 29. Mini, 280 30. Isuzu, 283 31. Saturn, 289 32. Volkswagen, 299 33. Hummer, 307 34. Kia, 310 35. Suzuki, 318 36. Saab, 326 37. Land Rover, 438 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostamojen Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 First sentace states that is the JD power survey... JD Power = garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 buick and mercury as 2 and 3? thats seams weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Well it is reported problems. I would doubt whether many buick or mercury owners know how to write or use a phone :lol: :lol: they are all used to cranking the phone and asking for the operator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted August 11, 2006 Author Share Posted August 11, 2006 First sentace states that is the JD power survey... JD Power = garbage Oh yeah, I overlooked that little detail. JD Power reports INITIAL quality, not REAL quality. Consumer Reports offers more reliable information. My '98 Legacy GT, with 145,000 miles on it, still feels just as solid and rattle-free as it did when I bought it (at 58,000 miles). Subarus are solid, and they stay solid over the life of the vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjl330 Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Come on who takes JD Powers seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlrtime Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Lexus owners get free sh**t and monthly phone calls after buying new cars. I bet thats a big reason why people rate them high on initial quality. Their service centers are much better than most brands too. A lot of people will buy Lexus for the whole experience, not just the car itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iyalla Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Maybe Buick and Mercury cars are up there because they aren't selling! Who are you going to ask if hardly anyone drives their cars. If you take that into consideration that makes Toyotas and Hondas result even more amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfool Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 yeah, but how do buick and mercury sales compare to subie- i bet they are as plentiful or far moreso than ours. i'm actually amazed/bummed that several American makers were REPORTEDLY more reliable. no one can beat lexus, that's for sure. i figured acura and infiniti would do well to. cadillac reasonable. the parent companies to the above lux brands as well. but losing out to any of those other brands, even the German ones? what ever happened to that "most reliable car" ad that lives in every Subie showroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted August 12, 2006 Author Share Posted August 12, 2006 yeah, but how do buick and mercury sales compare to subie- i bet they are as plentiful or far moreso than ours. i'm actually amazed/bummed that several American makers were REPORTEDLY more reliable. no one can beat lexus, that's for sure. i figured acura and infiniti would do well to. cadillac reasonable. the parent companies to the above lux brands as well. but losing out to any of those other brands, even the German ones? what ever happened to that "most reliable car" ad that lives in every Subie showroom. I think part of it is the fact that Subaru owners really know their vehicles well, and know when something isn't right, so we're more likely to let the dealer/surveyor know about it. Most owners of American brands just buy it as as transportation device, and, since the '70s established such a low standard for American cars, those people now think they're getting great cars. Technically, they *are* great compared to the same cars 20 or 30 years ago, but they're still behind the Japanese. Those kinds of people don't even bother to notice anything not American. For myself, after owning several Japanese cars (Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Subaru), I then owned a Pontiac Grand Am - what a piece of junk. Comparing the Grand Am to my Supra, Camry, Civic, GLC, and Justy (which are small cars, except the Supra (Camry was '87 - sorta small)), the build quality disparity was enormous! The longevity difference was different too. Yes, the Grand Am still drove moderately well after 100K miles, but interior pieces were falling off, window switches broke, headliner sagged, etc. The headliner on GM cars always seemed to sag in the '80s and '90s. They must have used poor glue to hold it on. After moving from the Grand Am to another Civic ('97), and then to my second Subaru ('98 LGT), I've never looked back. I'm now on my third Subaru ('05 GT 5-spd), and plan on sticking with them, as long as they keep making exciting cars. Subaru has earned my loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 1. Arent Lincoln's notorius for stupid electrical problems? 2. My mom's 99 RX300 has had its front muffler replaced, 2 oil leaks repaired, one squeaky steering wheel, and one faulty tailight. Not that great in my book. My sister's '03 Corrolla has never had a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 front muffler?? Thats what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jond_68 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I do not care about "initial quality" surveys. I care about the reliability of my car over its life up to 150-175k miles. I have owned many subarus, 4 of which I owned since new. All had a few problems that were covered under warranty, and I drove each of them to the above referenced mileage without many repairs. That is my definition of reliablity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krzyss Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Who said initial quality? The survey was of 2003 model cars. "J.D. Power & Associates surveyed 37 brands to determine problems found by owners of 2003 model-year cars" Krzys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jond_68 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Oh yeah, I overlooked that little detail. JD Power reports INITIAL quality, not REAL quality. Consumer Reports offers more reliable information. My '98 Legacy GT, with 145,000 miles on it, still feels just as solid and rattle-free as it did when I bought it (at 58,000 miles). Subarus are solid, and they stay solid over the life of the vehicle. Krzys, I was referencing the above reply in my post, not necessarily this article specifically. I didnt read the article. Sorry I didn't quote the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fzanetti Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Yeah right!!! A company that ranks, Mercury on 2nd, Buick on 3rd, Jaguar on 8th and Ford on 12th, has got to be kidding to rank Subaru at 14th!!! HEHEHHEHEHEHE Flavio Zanetti Boston, MA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 Krzys, I was referencing the above reply in my post, not necessarily this article specifically. I didnt read the article. Sorry I didn't quote the reply. When I read through the article, it started with "... the 2006 Vehicle Dependability Study" and made the assumption that it was about 2006 vehicles. I see it later states that the survey was for owners of 2003 cars. My mistake. Apologies all around. I still stand by my comment that my '98 LGT, with 145,000 miles, is still just as bulletproof as it was when I bought it, and I haven't treated it gently. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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