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Just got the email from Subaru today. 2025 will be the last year for the Legacy. 

36 minutes ago, That_Blubaru1998 said:

I have a 2020 Legacy XT and have this issue. I also heard through the dealer that they do not see legacy's with this issue. My car has 55k miles on it and I am trying to get this issue resolved before I have to pay out of pocket for it. 

The test they do to confirm the issue - related to the transmission - is to disable the AWD essentially turning it into a front wheel drive vehicle. If the issue disappears at that point it would be confirmed to be a transmission problem, which is about a $12,000 repair. If they won’t proceed to this extent you’d be better off trading the vehicle if financially feasible. I have not seen this reported by other Legacy owners and my dealer also said they had not seen any Legacys with this issue. My 2020 XT Legacy has less than 15K mi but no issues so far. 

No there was no change. I did get an explanation of what was done but it wasn’t anything that would affect what the driver experiences. 

Ok then nothing new. I think most had that done by the spring. We had both our vehicles done somewhere around March or April I think. 

Is this something new, or are you referring to what came out last spring?

Now this might be a worthy replacement for my Legacy

9 hours ago, MoleMan said:

They have now got the vehicle more refined.

They really have. Just comparing the Onyx XT versions—the ‘24 has a quieter cabin, upgraded audio system, more responsive acceleration, faster responding infotainment system, heated steering wheel. My wife feels as if she’s driving a different yet still the same car. Her infotainment system, in the ‘20, was so slow to respond it was almost useless. The one in my Legacy was always much quicker, now it’s the slow one. This is the car, barring major issues, that we will have for at least 10 years without feeling that there is something better. 

1 hour ago, MoleMan said:

Also understand the trans is always learning. A new car that has not been driven will respond way different then a car a few years old.  

When we first got our 2020s we had to learn the transmission and adjust how we accelerated to get the best response. Took several weeks as I was coming from a 5sp manual and my wife from a 6speed automatic on another Outback. That’s why I’m so impressed with this new 24 XT. No learning or adaptation needed, it just responds more quickly. I’ve not taken it out and hammered it, my wife would kill me, but it is more responsive from the get go. I would speculate that it may have greater low speed acceleration but no faster over all. Anyway you look at it, it is an improvement and a very impressive vehicle. Subaru did good with these. I think anyone going from a ‘20 to the ‘24 would consider this a significant upgrade. The more responsive infotainment unit is the cherry on top. 

9 hours ago, MoleMan said:

Subaru could have tweaked with the programming of the trans a bit so it gives more of a linear feel.

Yes that’s what I’m assuming they have done. Tire pressures are spot on. The difference in accelerator response is significant. I know many do a “calibration” procedure because of perceived inadequate response by doing 30 presses down and up. I’ve even tried this myself with no change. But in the ‘24 OB no such shenanigans are necessary. I’m still waiting to hear from someone who went from a ‘20 Legacy XT to a ‘24 to find out if the same was done on them. 

Whenever I get to drive my wife’s new ‘24 OB XT it feels like the acceleration is better than my ’20  Legacy XT. So I’m curious if someone has been able to make such a comparison between a ‘20 and ‘24 Legacy. 

7 minutes ago, laufu said:

The Sport also comes with SI-Drive., the Touring XT does not.  

That would be an advantage for me. I’d lose the memory door buttons, and the leather seats, though. 

Due to issues with my wife’s 2020 Onyx XT Outback she wound up getting a new ‘24 Onyx XT this week. It is a remarkably better vehicle, smoother CVT, much better accelerator response, quieter cabin, more responsive infotainment system, and of course the upgraded audio system. Just a noticeably better car overall. So that’s got me curious if there’s been similar improvements in a ‘24 Legacy from my 2020 Limited XT. I see that they’ve essentially replaced my Limited version with the Sport which has fabric seats, no driver memory door buttons, but is otherwise essentially the same. So if I wanted to replace my Limited XT for some reason, that Sport model is probably what I would choose. I am interested if any on here have gone from a 2020 XT to a Sport or Touring, which seem to be the only ones with the turbo engine, and have noticed any significant improvements. 

As shown in title I got an email this morning from the map service about an available update released today.

Mine has only stayed off a day or two. I normally turn it off myself on sunny days because I wear fit-over sunglasses over my prescription glasses and the system can’t handle the 2 sets of lens disabling itself with 5 minutes or so. It also can’t handle my wearing a cap in the car as it will again disable itself in a few minutes. So I just usually turn it off right after turning off the stop/start system. 

2 hours ago, oxygene said:

I tried this, but didn't notice too much of a difference. Maybe the car is too new for me to tell.

I could never tell for certain whether it changed anything. I first read about it on another forum a couple years ago and have done it about 3 times on my 2020 Legacy XT. Doesn’t hurt anything and sometimes the placebo effect makes you think it’s much better. 

I’ve seen that the 2023 Legacy Sport models have the Si drive feature and wonder if that does what the calibration procedure theoretically can do. 
 

2 minutes ago, Sum Gye said:

Hello all.  New member as of an hour ago.  Looks like a great forum.

I was glad to find the thread on throttle calibration.  I am happy with my 2022 Legacy XT, except for the CVT performance from a dead stop.  It seems to want to languish below 2K RPM unless you get on it.  The extreme non-linear performance is frustrating, especially when there is plenty of power from a rolling start or at speed.

I was wondering if the throttle calibration procedure is a fix for that before I try it.

It won’t hurt and only takes about 10 minutes. I’ve done it once or twice on my 2020XT but I can’t say if it really has improved things or not. But the placebo effect usually makes it seem better. Regarding the CVT if you slam down the pedal from a stop you won’t go anywhere regardless of device or procedure you use. You’ll gradually learn a technique in using the accelerator. I have and I came from a 2006 Legacy GT turbo 5 speed. They perform very differently but I’ve been quite satisfied with my XT, but I did have to develop my technique. To be honest I’ve never been enamored of any automatic transmissions, always felt they were added complications that are just prone to repair issues. But so far this Legacy has really been nice and I have no complaints. 

Mine used to do all that. This is quite recent. Taking it to the dealer tomorrow. Mine’s a 2020 XT. Hope it’s just a software glitch. 

1 hour ago, subaru-tech said:

There is a reprogram all ascent and xt cars get that are under the recall. Then the car is checked for slippage, then the chain guide is checked. If there is any slippage recorded the vehicle automatically gets a new trans. The issue was in the old programming.  The new reprogram takes care of any issues.

Just curious if you would know if Legacys have been reported with the juddering and vibrations when turning under acceleration. My wife’s Outback XT just had its clutch pack assembly replaced for this, as well as many other OBs apparently, and I’m concerned that I might face this issue with my Legacy XT. Both of ours are 2020 XTs which are the ones with the problem  I saw the TSB and Legacys, Outbacks, and Ascents were listed but other than the Ascents and OBs I have not seen any posts from Legacy owners about this. 

1 hour ago, dohturdima said:

I haven't noticed any issue such as this in my car but will test it out and report back. 

I was told that they have not seen any Legacys with this issue. But the official Subaru Techinical Service bulletin mentions 2020-2022 Legacy, Outback, and Ascent XTs. The Ascents have a multitude of issues including this one, and apparently the Outback XTs as well. Fingers crossed that the Legacy XTs escape this. 

I’ve posted over there as well. When we first noticed the problem in June I searched that forum and found an existing thread. Someone there must work at a Subaru dealer and posted the technical service bulletin that Subaru put out to dealers. It describes the exact symptoms we were having. Vibration and juddering when accelerating through a turn. It felt and sounded like we were driving over a rumble strip in back. Initially it would only do it when engine and drivetrain were cool. As soon as the vehicle warmed up a little it disappeared. But that progressed to doing it even when warm. 
 

The technical service bulletin specifies the clutch pack assembly which is what the service guys said is the problem. But there are none available in the US currently. So far I’ve not seen any Legacy owners post about this. So I wanted to check here to see if anyone had experienced it. My Limited XT has been perfect so I’m hoping to avoid the problem. 

Have any Legacy XT owners experienced this? Apparently this has been a big issue with the Ascents and Outback XTs. We first noticed it back in June when the engine and drivetrain were cold after sitting overnight. If you accelerated while turning the wheel left or right a bad vibration would be felt and heard from the rear of the car. As well as a whirring noise from the steering. This was on my wife’s 2020 Outback Onyx XT. After the engine had warmed it went away. There is a TSB from Subaru about this and we made several trips to the dealer during the summer for this but each time they said the tests prescribed by Subaru for this did not indicate the issue. When they drove the vehicle they said they could detect what we referred to when pulling out of a parking spot but the car quickly warmed up and smoothed out. 

This got progressively worse through the summer and would continue even after the vehicle was warm. In addition the transmission just had a rougher feel to it, definitely  not as smooth as my 2020 Legacy Limited XT. We made a final trip to the dealer over 2 weeks ago and they said the vehicle should not be driven and needs to have the clutch pack assembly replaced. But we were told there are no clutch packs in the US currently and they have no time frame for a resolution. Only that maybe by the end of January. After a week or so she was given a loaner, ironically an identical 2020 Onyx XT but white instead of black. It also has fewer miles which we’ll probably increase considerably if this drags out to the Spring as I fear. 

Our sales lady from whom we bought both vehicles in 2020 said that they would make a trade-in offer for the OB for a new vehicle. The service guys said a few owners had done just that instead of waiting a couple months. My wife isn’t currently interested in going that route. Although I have to say if it were me I’d just want to be rid of it. This has left a bad taste for both of us. This apparently has only affected the turbo vehicles, there’s a big thread over on the Outback forums, as well as the Ascent one. My concern is for my car. Hers will be 3 years old next month, mine will be 3 in July and has half the mileage hers does. Hers is at 29K, mine just under 12K. If I encounter this with my Legacy I will just get rid of it and avoid CVTs if at all possible, and it may be my last Subaru after over 20 years. 

The service writer said he had not seen this issue in any Legacy but I’m still concerned. When we discussed the TSB he said they had a bad problem with the Ascents, but not as many Outbacks and no Legacys. I did ask how long this would take to resolve if they were replacing the whole transmission and he said a couple weeks because Subaru is well stocked with CVTs but not clutch packs. I guess they geared up for the CVT recall. All in all this is very disappointing. 

5 minutes ago, subiext said:

My local dealer has a person employed who will do the update for a paltry $150.00 and takes 3 hours.  Is this really worth it?

Absolutely not!! If you have to have all of North America there is a map-updater software that you can install from Subaru’s Maps site and then install on your car by usb. For me the download and installation to the usb takes about 35 minutes. The installation to my car takes 30-45 minutes. However currently I only need one or two states, my home state Maryland mainly. That took 2 minutes to download to the car and 20 seconds to install. Just connect your car’s WiFi to your home WiFi or to your phone’s hotspot as I did. I went to a location that I know has a fast cellular connection. Very easy to do. 

I had to get the code from the vehicle last time back in the summer. This time I connected my car to my phone’s hotspot and downloaded the maps I wanted over the air. I only did two states, Maryland and Virginia and the whole process took less than 15 minutes total. A much easier and simpler way to do this unless you need all of North America which would require the usb method. 

Me too!