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Over on the Outback forum someone showed a TSB that was issued in 2022 to dealers about the battery issue and authorizing replacement if it fails a test. Yesterday I had decided I would replace it at an auto parts store, if one was in stock. I had contacted GEICO roadside assistance and while I was waiting outside for him my wife called our dealer and was told it would be covered by warranty and made the appointment for this morning. I’m glad she thought to call because I was just going to head out to a store after it was jump started to get it replaced. I didn’t realize how expensive they are. The replacement the dealer installed is the high capacity larger version. 

It will be interesting to see what this DCM warranty extension will entail. Will some of them have to be replaced?

I had to have my car jump started twice this week. Contacted the dealer and had an appointment this morning. The battery was tested and then replaced at no charge. I didn’t realize Subaru was still covering these batteries this far out. There were complaints early on with the 2020 batteries but I didn’t have an issue until this week. Glad to see they are still covering them. 

Ah, I found it. It’s the airbag sensor for passenger seats. Well time for service anyway. 

I am getting a mailing from Subaru (I get USPS notifications emails) that has safety recall on the envelope. Anyone know what this might be about?

15 minutes ago, Point37 said:

the crown signia is what i want minus the hybrid which obviously isn't in the cards

I’d be looking at the Crown Platinum. But at $15K+ more than what I paid for my Legacy, and just about the same more for a 2025 XT, that would be extremely hard to justify if I could even afford it. Subaru really had it nailed for me with the Legacys, especially my previous Legacy 2.5 GT turbo, and the current XTs. The options I could have gotten in more expensive cars really didn’t interest me that much, and the things I could get in the Legacy that I really wanted weren't available except in much more expensive choices. That still seems to be the case. If I had to replace mine today, and the Legacy was no longer available I guess I’d look at a WRX; but that vehicle is a little too raw for my old bones. Realistically with cost as a major consideration I’d probably pick an Outback XT. My wife has a ‘24 Onyx XT and it really is nice, and handles extremely well. It’s just not the car I want.

8 hours ago, fuzzysoul said:

This does complicate the search for an AWD replacement sedan, though. I'm hoping the rumored Mazda 6e, based on the CX-70/90 platform, is AWD. Otherwise, I'm looking at the next Lexus ES, which should spiff up the new hybrid, AWD Camry platform. And I guess there's always BMW ... and their Legendary Reliability.

I went through those choices when I had to wait over 7 months in 2020 to get my Legacy XT. None of them gave me what I wanted at the price of the Legacy. I have looked the new Toyota Crown as I believe all versions are AWD. It’s a beautiful car. The Camry would be great if they put an acceptably powerful engine in the AWD version. The others are just much more expensive than what Subaru has offered in the Legacy. I always thought that they nailed the vehicle between price, engine, AWD, and packages. I had hoped that would make them keep offering it to the many people who still prefer a sedan to crossovers and SUVs. 

6 hours ago, bigburban said:

I’m sad that the legacy will come to an end with the seventh generation. I have owned 4. One wagon I inherited and then 3 sedans. The last being my 2024.  Really I’m sad sedans and regular wagon are disappearing from the market. I have to say though after owning my 24 with the cvt. The cvt is my least favorite feature next to the terrible auto stop start. Just the ranting of an old man I guess. Even so I love my current legacy.

 I don’t think Honda would give up the Accord, or that Toyota would give up the Camry, so I am somewhat surprised that Subaru is doing this. Of course you could say that since the Outback and the Legacy are so similar you could just buy an Outback if the Legacy is not available. But Legacy buyers have always had the Outback as an option; they didn’t want it and instead chose the Legacy. So my guess is that type of buyer will wind up looking at other makes, maybe Honda or Toyota. For me personally if Subaru continues to develop the Crosstrek, maybe a WRX version of the Crosstrek, or at least an XT version, then that would be something I’d consider if I had to replace my 2020 Legacy XT. I love the Outback, my wife has a 2024 Onyx XT, but it’s not really the vehicle I would want for my daily drive. It’s just larger than I need and not as much fun to drive as the Legacys have been. The XT is my 3rd over 23 years. 

Just got the email from Subaru today. 2025 will be the last year for the Legacy. 

36 minutes ago, That_Blubaru1998 said:

I have a 2020 Legacy XT and have this issue. I also heard through the dealer that they do not see legacy's with this issue. My car has 55k miles on it and I am trying to get this issue resolved before I have to pay out of pocket for it. 

The test they do to confirm the issue - related to the transmission - is to disable the AWD essentially turning it into a front wheel drive vehicle. If the issue disappears at that point it would be confirmed to be a transmission problem, which is about a $12,000 repair. If they won’t proceed to this extent you’d be better off trading the vehicle if financially feasible. I have not seen this reported by other Legacy owners and my dealer also said they had not seen any Legacys with this issue. My 2020 XT Legacy has less than 15K mi but no issues so far. 

No there was no change. I did get an explanation of what was done but it wasn’t anything that would affect what the driver experiences. 

Ok then nothing new. I think most had that done by the spring. We had both our vehicles done somewhere around March or April I think. 

Is this something new, or are you referring to what came out last spring?

Now this might be a worthy replacement for my Legacy

9 hours ago, MoleMan said:

They have now got the vehicle more refined.

They really have. Just comparing the Onyx XT versions—the ‘24 has a quieter cabin, upgraded audio system, more responsive acceleration, faster responding infotainment system, heated steering wheel. My wife feels as if she’s driving a different yet still the same car. Her infotainment system, in the ‘20, was so slow to respond it was almost useless. The one in my Legacy was always much quicker, now it’s the slow one. This is the car, barring major issues, that we will have for at least 10 years without feeling that there is something better. 

1 hour ago, MoleMan said:

Also understand the trans is always learning. A new car that has not been driven will respond way different then a car a few years old.  

When we first got our 2020s we had to learn the transmission and adjust how we accelerated to get the best response. Took several weeks as I was coming from a 5sp manual and my wife from a 6speed automatic on another Outback. That’s why I’m so impressed with this new 24 XT. No learning or adaptation needed, it just responds more quickly. I’ve not taken it out and hammered it, my wife would kill me, but it is more responsive from the get go. I would speculate that it may have greater low speed acceleration but no faster over all. Anyway you look at it, it is an improvement and a very impressive vehicle. Subaru did good with these. I think anyone going from a ‘20 to the ‘24 would consider this a significant upgrade. The more responsive infotainment unit is the cherry on top. 

9 hours ago, MoleMan said:

Subaru could have tweaked with the programming of the trans a bit so it gives more of a linear feel.

Yes that’s what I’m assuming they have done. Tire pressures are spot on. The difference in accelerator response is significant. I know many do a “calibration” procedure because of perceived inadequate response by doing 30 presses down and up. I’ve even tried this myself with no change. But in the ‘24 OB no such shenanigans are necessary. I’m still waiting to hear from someone who went from a ‘20 Legacy XT to a ‘24 to find out if the same was done on them. 

Whenever I get to drive my wife’s new ‘24 OB XT it feels like the acceleration is better than my ’20  Legacy XT. So I’m curious if someone has been able to make such a comparison between a ‘20 and ‘24 Legacy. 

7 minutes ago, laufu said:

The Sport also comes with SI-Drive., the Touring XT does not.  

That would be an advantage for me. I’d lose the memory door buttons, and the leather seats, though. 

Due to issues with my wife’s 2020 Onyx XT Outback she wound up getting a new ‘24 Onyx XT this week. It is a remarkably better vehicle, smoother CVT, much better accelerator response, quieter cabin, more responsive infotainment system, and of course the upgraded audio system. Just a noticeably better car overall. So that’s got me curious if there’s been similar improvements in a ‘24 Legacy from my 2020 Limited XT. I see that they’ve essentially replaced my Limited version with the Sport which has fabric seats, no driver memory door buttons, but is otherwise essentially the same. So if I wanted to replace my Limited XT for some reason, that Sport model is probably what I would choose. I am interested if any on here have gone from a 2020 XT to a Sport or Touring, which seem to be the only ones with the turbo engine, and have noticed any significant improvements. 

As shown in title I got an email this morning from the map service about an available update released today.

Mine has only stayed off a day or two. I normally turn it off myself on sunny days because I wear fit-over sunglasses over my prescription glasses and the system can’t handle the 2 sets of lens disabling itself with 5 minutes or so. It also can’t handle my wearing a cap in the car as it will again disable itself in a few minutes. So I just usually turn it off right after turning off the stop/start system. 

2 hours ago, oxygene said:

I tried this, but didn't notice too much of a difference. Maybe the car is too new for me to tell.

I could never tell for certain whether it changed anything. I first read about it on another forum a couple years ago and have done it about 3 times on my 2020 Legacy XT. Doesn’t hurt anything and sometimes the placebo effect makes you think it’s much better. 

I’ve seen that the 2023 Legacy Sport models have the Si drive feature and wonder if that does what the calibration procedure theoretically can do. 
 

2 minutes ago, Sum Gye said:

Hello all.  New member as of an hour ago.  Looks like a great forum.

I was glad to find the thread on throttle calibration.  I am happy with my 2022 Legacy XT, except for the CVT performance from a dead stop.  It seems to want to languish below 2K RPM unless you get on it.  The extreme non-linear performance is frustrating, especially when there is plenty of power from a rolling start or at speed.

I was wondering if the throttle calibration procedure is a fix for that before I try it.

It won’t hurt and only takes about 10 minutes. I’ve done it once or twice on my 2020XT but I can’t say if it really has improved things or not. But the placebo effect usually makes it seem better. Regarding the CVT if you slam down the pedal from a stop you won’t go anywhere regardless of device or procedure you use. You’ll gradually learn a technique in using the accelerator. I have and I came from a 2006 Legacy GT turbo 5 speed. They perform very differently but I’ve been quite satisfied with my XT, but I did have to develop my technique. To be honest I’ve never been enamored of any automatic transmissions, always felt they were added complications that are just prone to repair issues. But so far this Legacy has really been nice and I have no complaints. 

Mine used to do all that. This is quite recent. Taking it to the dealer tomorrow. Mine’s a 2020 XT. Hope it’s just a software glitch.