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Yes so though technically it's possible from a practical point it's likely to be cost prohibitive. Unless you live close to Canada and can find/buy a wreck at the right price. Not sure what would be involved in moving a wreck across the border. I can see a few hurdles...

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Gen6 Legacy is available with 6MT in some countries (e.g. Canada). Not sure what would be involved with a conversion but it should be technically possible.

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Thanks fishy for your clarifications. My car runs more efficiently now its tuned, however it always depends on how heavy you are with your right foot as to what the real world fuel economy figure you actually achieve.

The issues with 2nd gen CVTs in 5 year old cars is a concern, however as I said what's most important to us with a 6th Gen Legacy is what redesigns/changes have been made to the transmission since these failures. Like I posted above there have clearly been some redesigned parts.

Again Nissan CVTs with supercharger horror stories is the reason why we should be concerned but doesn't provide any direct information on what 6th Gen owners could expect (unless the CVTs are shared between Nissan and Subaru).

If there is any information that is directly related to what we can expect that would be a lot more useful. Kayslay seems to be happy to be a test bunny so he will be doing some pioneering work which hopefully everyone that comes after will have the benefits.

I'm not going to quote you line by line, however fuel economy has never been a concern for me. I get a company fuel card so it doesn't effect me at all. If you read on the next sentence that you quoted, the company I work for has limits on what vehicle stated fuel consumption it will allow. Hence why the 3.6R was off my shopping list due to the stated mpg being above the limit. I needed to have a vehicle under 9.6l/100km and the 3.6R is 10.3l/100km. This is mainly to stop people running big V8's and costing the company a lot of $ in fuel.

Regarding the CVT transmissions thanks for the Gen5 thread. However I believe a number of the issues with the CVT in gen5 cars have already been fixed/resolved.

"Service Bulletin # 16-90-13 Design Change to Lock-Up Type Torque Converter Torque Converter Bulletin Description: This bulletin announces the availability of a countermeasure torque converter assembly to address a customer concern of very low engine RPM when coming to a stop. The condition is similar to coming to a stop in a manual transmission equipped vehicle without depressing the clutch pedal. Thrust washer wear inside the torque converter torque converter can cause restriction of the oil passage used to bleed off lock-up clutch application pressure. The result is either a delayed (momentary low engine rpm) or no lock-up pressure release. The thrust washer has been changed from a solid bushing-type to a needle bearing type. "

There also appears to be issues where people take their cars to a generic service center/mechanic and they accidentally drain the CVT oil out and replace it with standard engine oil. This tends to reduce the life of the CVT drastically.

Like I said before, can you please point us towards the thread that details issues that we are going to have with our cars. If there's issues with older gen CVT's that have been resolved it doesn't help bringing up this type of mis-information. We really need to know if these problems still exist or whether updated parts are being used in our cars which resolves the earlier issues.

Obviously we've done a lot less miles than some of these cars that are having problems and we'll only really know if the problems have been fixed properly once the cars get 100,000+ miles on them.

Fishbone I agree with what you're saying, a SC kit is not a good investment. Though I think you're making some assumptions regards fuel economy, install cost and resale.

If the 3.6 is driven hard you're going to get pretty bad economy out of it. That bit has been proven. I think the SC kit on the 2.5 would be less hungry on fuel compared to a 3.6 driven the same way. But if you're driving the car harder you're not really chasing good fuel economy - it's more about enjoying what you drive. Fuel economy would probably be a secondary consideration as long as it didn't halve the mpg.

The Raptor SC kits are designed to be a DIY job and can be bolted on in the driveway with some basic tools. Just the same you can unbolt it later when selling the car and put the tune back to "stock". You can then sell the SC kit to another enthusiast

It's the torque increase that will be the deciding factor as to how the transmission holds up. If there's some before/after dynos showing the torque change this will give you an idea on how much closer to the line the gen2 CVT is getting pushed. And to my knowledge nobody has busted a CVT yet so we're no closer to knowing what the practical limits with this transmission are either. So it is a bit of a risk yes. I believe there's SC kits been put into the FB20 motor running the same CVT with no issues but I'd expect the FB25 to be up on torque compared to the FB20.

The decision to put a SC kit on your car is never a logical decision. It's how it makes you feel. I'm sure if I put one on and it didn't break the car I'd be pretty happy... unless the transmission got cooked and then I'd be sad until I bought an upgraded CVT out of a 3.6. But then you'd definitely be better off starting with a different platform. Which is why I'm saving up now (or at least not spending much more on the 2.5) and going to tip the money into a new car instead.

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I just used my stock lug nuts.

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I was just saying everyone probably has a lame excuse and has likely driven past 100+ for sale signs since the challenge started and not 1 person stopped to take a quick picture.

I have needed to make work a bit more of a focus of late (a number of redundancies), so have reduced the time I spend on forums/cars.

I'm sure everyone has a similar story/excuse for not participating but it is a bit of a pity as it was/is a fun thing to do. If there's not a decent number of people actively participating it ends up feeling like a chore and something that one has to do rather than being a fun thing/race to get the best photo up.

Anyway the challenge is so simple that you probably only need to drive around the block to complete it.

This thread really needs more people taking more photos and not just falling back to the same one or two people to keep the thread going/moving.

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There was a guy locally that was running a raptor SC kit with E85 on a gen4 3.0 H6 wagon. That thing flew and shut a few of the tuned WRX boys up.

I'm interested to see a 3.6 get tuned and a SC kit put into it. I think it would be a bit of a sleeper for sure.

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Thanks fishbone last post is definitely more constructive. I didn't want this thread to end up like some of the others that are "lets bash the 2.5 owners". It doesn't help anyone and we're all car enthusiasts here who take pride in the cars that we drive.

I 100% agree with you that when buying a new car you should ask the important questions of whether this is the right platform that is going to satisfy all your requirements from a motor car for the life of your car ownership.

The challenge is having made the decision and bought the car rationalizing that "I think I can live with the power output of the 2.5", however when reality sets in after 3-6 months that it's just too slow to be enjoyable, then what? The comments about you should have bought a different platform to start with or save up your pennies and buy the model with the turbo are really not that helpful. We already knew that

For me the 2.5 base model was AUD$30,000 and the 3.6R $45,000, however the kicker was the extra fuel consumption of the 3.6 so it didn't ever really get considered (outside the limits of the company supplied fuel card). WRX again was around the same price of the 3.6 and a smaller vehicle so it didn't really get considered from a price/size perspective. Also for me I was looking to save some $ on the car this time around so I could do some house renovations so it's all down to peoples personal situations.

Anyway so people have come to the position that the 2.5i is right for them and sign up for it. The problem is that for most people vehicle purchases are a 3-5 year proposition. You can't really afford to change so the only real route is to modify.

For me the Raptor kit is great but I'm not prepared to tip that sort of $ into the car given that I'm likely to change it in the next 12-18 months anyway. I'm not going to get the payback on the $ invested and better off saving up the $ and tipping into a new car. So yes for me it's better to save my pennies at this point.

However for others that are looking to keep their cars longer it's certainly something worth considering. If you can get out of it for USD$3,000 and you're going to increase the outputs of your car by 30-50% then it looks like a reasonable bang for buck. You'd end up with a car that is quicker and lighter than a 3.6 for half as much (though you do void what is left of your warranty). All things to consider.

Plus not everyone is driving around a supercharged Legacy.

Based on what I'm seeing on here, you should be saving for another car, perhaps a WRX. Keep the 2.5i stock and happy, stick it out for another couple years, save up the difference and jump into a turbo Subaru. Nobody wants to hear the obvious advice.

Unfortunately the Legacy doesn't come with a GT model anymore otherwise I'm sure there would be quite a few of us that would have bought it.

There are some reasonable gains to be achieved from tuning the 2.5NA at a moderate cost. Given that people are happy to pay good money for cosmetic enhancements (grilles/spoilers/splitters/etc) a tune costing similar amount is certainly something to consider on your shopping list for mods.

We all understand that we're not going to get the same gains as a stage 1 tune on a turbo car but adjustments to the transmission shift patterns, throttle maps and fuelling can make a family sedan into something a bit more enjoyable to drive.

We understand your comments, and I'm seriously considering my options (hence not wanting to tip money into a supercharger kit). However at the moment there isn't anything in the mid-size sedan that has an AWD system, ACC, fit and finish that comes close to the Legacy price.

And you know some of us actually get pleasure out of modding our cars even though they're not going to be the fastest car on the road/track. I would have thought coming from another car enthusiast you would understand this - so please stop jumping on every NA tuning thread and being a kill-joy. We know our cars aren't super-fast so no need to keep pointing it out. Yes we could have started with a different platform but we're looking to make the most of the decision to buy the car we did at the time. For the $ I've spent and the options/kit I've got I still think I've got a very good value car in terms of $/performance/options/looks/etc.

And the acid test is if you were in the same position again knowing what you do now would you make the same decision again and for me the answer would be yes.

/rant and get back to your gen4/turbo forum area and let us be deluded in thinking our cars are quick (even though they're only a average). But at least they're not totally slow anymore

This would be the next logical step for me also, however the kit may not make it onto my car due to a number of factors including cost, time/miles I keep my cars and transmission reliability concerns.

I think the idea of putting on an oil cooler sounds like a good one. And would go a reasonable way to eliminating any possible reliability issues with the CVT.

I'm catching up with throttlehappy/Matt next weekend at our local Club Liberty dyno day so will have a chat to him and get his thoughts. He's tuned a few Liberty/Legacy cars with the raptor SC kits.

OK TTG you got this. You'll have to go back a few pages for the most recent scores

Good luck on not having to save yourself!!!!

Got a sweat mountain photo Near Buena Vista, CO a couple of weeks ago!

http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=228289&d=1460749490

Nice shot

That looks mint Mark!

Those 5th gen Tein H.tech springs really complete the look

Beautiful wheels and great fitment Rick!

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http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg548/deexboy/B35E3FB3-F73F-4DDC-8B16-9C1AD95BC034_zpsxxbxs9tj.jpg

 

New challenge:

 

Your car next to a news truck, tv building or big dish satellite.

Hang on. Is that a satellite dish I see across the road???

The problem with wide rims is that they more often than not come with aggressive offsets in order to clear the strut/suspension on the inside.

So you will probably be hard pressed to find a 9" rim with +50 offset. Much more likely to get these in a +35 and then need to do some guard work to make some space.

Nice escape laz!

Beautiful shot Msmoto but I think the agents may have got you this time...

There are fewer exits than ten years ago. Here's mine:

http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=227740&stc=1&d=1459805802

If you guys are taking this long to find an "Exit", I'm really worried that the "Agents" may have got you!!!!

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I looked hard but couldn't find any pay phones in any of those photos.

Laz we're waiting for you to come up with the goods!!!

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