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I ordered my p365 in January and was told April-July. There were 100,000 back orders as of Shot Show.

"Every time our country stands in the path of danger, an instinct seems to summon her finest first. Those who truly understand her. When freedom shivers in the cold peril, it's always the Patriots who first hear her call. When loss of liberty is looming as it is now, the siren sounds first in the hearts of freedoms vanguard. When ordinary hands can possess such an extraordinary instrument, that symbolizes the full measure of human dignity and liberty. That's why those five words issue an a irresistible call to us and we muster: "From my cold dead hands" -Charlton Heston

My Ruger PC came with the elcheapo cable lock. FYI, the Ruger PC is a steal at $550. It's very well built. The trigger is superb.

Back in 97 the Clinton administration had a handshake deal with 80%+ of firearms manufacturers to provide locks with every gun. I believe all manufacturers comply now. I think I have 30 of them in a box in my basement If any of you mandatory state peoples want them, shoot me a PM and i’ll ship you some. My favorite is the Ruger locks. They’re (or were) real padlocks. Kel-tecs are the cheapest. All plastic. Like their guns.

Trijicon HDs make a difference on the Sig P series pistols.

Needs more trijicon sights

That's a good deal for a German gun. Any interest in selling? If so, PM me

Sig upcharges slaves from slave states. Deservedly so.

I think my next car will be a Ford Aspire.

albeit, they're all retired so time no longer = money

The guys that I know that shoot clay pigeon all reload their own. I guess when you're shooting every weekend the savings adds up.

I've debated shotgun as well. I have about 300 hulls ready to go.

I have used Xtreme as well. Thank you for the info.

Pistol and rifle reloading is like the difference between chess and checkers. Pistol reloading is quite easy. Rifle... requires more equipment and precise measurement. I'm sure Penguin will chime in. He's much better versed.

What brand bullets and what's your COL for the 165's if you don't mind me asking?

Interesting. I use titegroup as well but I'm loading 115grn Berry's with 3.9 grains to 1.130 COL. Have you chronographed that load?

What powder do you use?

^you don't reload?

Delayed detonation.... Nooooooooooo thank you

Also, it's berdan primed which means you can't reload it (technically you can but it's a PITA) If you don't reload and buy non berdan primed ammo you can collect and sell the brass to recoup some cost.

I would not put 30 year old surplus foreign military ammo through my guns. One squib and the $40 you saved will look pretty stupid when you need a $500+ barrel. I've purchased bulk pulled Military .45 brass. No idea how old it was. All the primers went bang. Albeit, HK's whack the shit out of primers

I think you have a rifle buying problem

I ordered two at $360 a piece. Both all black models. The plan is to sell one for $500 and keep the other. They sell for $550 at all the LGS' Welcome

Not as bad as my back order of the the Keltec PMR30 I placed in September of 2015 was told I have another year to wait I refuse to pay more than $380 for that pistol.

Glad we’re back to gun talk... Ordered a Sig Sauer P365. Was told there were 100,000 back orders at the start of Shot Show June? July?