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Hi great work. Can you please correct the table that I posted earlier? Where did I go wrong here? This old wiring table must be the same thing you did, so please tell us what you switched around:

No. Is this happening to you as well? I tried using both the 2005 JDM joystick and the 2008 USDM joystick, as Dade suggested at post#127 in this thread. But there was no difference in operation, despite the internal changes in the joystick logic that Subaru made from 2005 to 2008 (Dade's post #128 in this thread). Vertical control of the passenger door mirror is still reversed on my car, up/down. In practical terms, it's not that big a deal. Because the passenger door mirror is convex, once the position is set, it's pretty much universal for every driver. My wife and I only adjust the mirror position on the driver's door when we swap seats. Passenger mirror door is "set it and forget it". But if you or someone else has a new idea, I'd love to clean up this minor annoyance. When Dade and I went through the wiring diagrams earlier in the thread, it looked like I had wired everything correctly, so this remains a mystery problem.

So while I was digging around in there anyway, looking for the reason the passenger mirror up/down was reversed, I thought I would connect the Easycar automatic folding module discussed earlier in this thread. Some comments for anyone else attempting to add this thing to their folding mirrors. HellShadow made a suggestion for tapping the ACC wire that I tried to follow, but there were two problems. (Problem 1) The arrow in his photo of the ignition lock actually points to the wrong wire. On my 2008 car, that wire closest to the key is 12v+ constant, and it's actually the one beside it that has 12v+ only when a key is in the ignition lock. So the wire furthest from the key, is the one you want to tap. (Problem 2) HellShadow gives no explanation of how to get the steering column covers off, just that photo of the ignition lock already exposed. The bottom cover is obvious, with just one Phillips screw and then you pull it loose from some locking tabs. But the top cover is considerably harder to puzzle out. There are actually three Phillips screws that you have to find once the bottom cover is off, and one of them is buried behind the ignition lock and its wiring. Once the 3 screws are out, it lifts right off. I attach a photo of the top steering column cover, upside down, so you can see the location of the 3 plastic pillars where the Phillips screws secure it. And finally, I attach a photo of the door lock and unlock wires, hopefully to save someone time in multimeter probing. This photo was taken at the driver's side kick panel, at the plastic grommet where the door wiring loom passes through, just as I was getting ready to solder. On my 2008 car, the green with yellow stripe is the 12v+ lock wire, and the pink with the grey stripe is the 12v+ unlock wire. You can see where I have separated that big connector block, and pushed the terminals for these two wires out, in order to give some room for soldering. That orange wire goes to the Easycar module (Pin 2, as shown in the schematic photo in HellShadow's post). You can see a blue and a green wire going separately out through the grommet, and those are what I used for the fold & unfold signal to the mirror motor itself. Anyway, it's all done and works great. Now if I could just figure out that reversed up/down passenger side mirror...

My JDM mirrors did come with a switch, and your hypothesis sounded so beguiling that I dug that switch out of the attic and tried swapping it for the 2008 joystick switch. No joy. It performs exactly as the 2008 switch does. So sad, it seemed like such an obvious solution. Up and Down remain reversed on the passenger side mirror. Any other ideas?

Thank you for this, and well spotted. Yes, exactly, I bought the folding mirrors from an older JDM car, then dismantled them completely and moved the folding motors into the 2008 USDM mirror housings. It looks like all the connections in my car are identical to your chart, with the one exception of Pin 6 on the passenger side mirror. I have Pin 6 noted as "pink-->blue", but your 2008 chart has it as "Red-->Blue/Green". Your chart notes that Pin 6 is responsible for "Adj. Up/Down", and that's certainly my problem, because they are reversed. Aside from my possible color blindness regarding pink and red, and the possibility of not noticing a green stripe in my "blue" wire, since all the other wires appear to be correctly connected, there really isn't another combination available here. [edit - I now see that your 2005 chart shows that Pin 6 mirror wire as pink, so I'm not color blind, and that wire still connects to the Blue/Green wire on the car harness.] There are only those two wires left if everything else is correct: one on the car harness and one on the mirror harness. So they must connect to each other by process of elimination, since everything else is correct. I don't think anything turns on the fact that the individual blue and red wires in the mirror harness have to be spliced together, before joining the single Red/Blue wire in the car harness. I didn't test it on the passenger side, but I did on the driver's side, and like Streetlegal said, if you only connect either the red or blue to the Red/Blue wire, then you only get horizontal movement or vertical movement from the joystick, but not both. Everything works perfectly on the driver's side, and if the problem were in this splice, I'd expect the driver's side mirror to have reversed up/down functions too. So I'm stumped here. Anybody with a good grasp of the electronics at issue, please holler out.

If you are going to pull your door cards and re-pin again anyway, could you please take note of the correct color combinations for the passenger-side adjustment motor. Dade was going to do so earlier in the thread, but never did. I have my passenger (right) side mirror wired so that up & down are reversed. It's a 2008 USDM car, with heated mirrors. Right now I have this wire arrangement on the right mirror, that leads to a reversed up & down mirror angle for the joystick control: (mirror) purple ---> (car) blue & white striped (mirror) pink ---> (car) blue (mirror) black ---> (car) yellow (mirror) white ---> (car) blue & yellow striped (mirror) blue & red soldered together ---> (car) blue & red striped (mirror) black ---> (car) black (mirror) green ---> (car) black And just for reference again, the driver's (left) side all works perfectly, and so here is the color connection chart for the left side: (mirror) purple --->(car) red & white striped (mirror) pink ---> (car) red & yellow striped (mirror) black ---> (car) yellow (mirror) white ---> (car) black (mirror) blue & red soldered together ---> (car) blue & red striped (mirror) black ---> (car) black (mirror) green ---> (car) red & black striped Thanks much, iNfEk.

Thanks Dade, that would be great if you could confirm the color connections when you next lift your right door card. I tried swapping a few pins around in trial and error, and educated guesses, but got some real spastic movements from the motor by doing that. Current color positions give no "spasticity", only reversed vertical controls, which I can live with temporarily. So I'm kind of hesitant to just do the trial and error again, in case of permanent damage. I think I did swap the pink and purple around in one test, but because I re-pinned the car harness plug also, I'm not entirely sure about the car harness colors now going into pink & purple. Maybe I have more than one mistake. Turn signals work, but I can't test the heaters until it's colder. I'd rather wait until you can look at your own connector and tell me for sure. When you have a chance to identify which color in the mirror harness goes into which color in the car harness, I would really appreciate that. I stupidly wrote the color chart down for the left side, but not for the right side, before dismantling the car's connectors. Because my JDM mirrors had the extra red wire, I soldered the red and blue mirror wires together as Streetlegal suggests above. Sure enough, when I had tested the mirrors before doing that, I only got either vertical or horizontal movement. When the blue and red mirror wires are soldered together, it all works a charm ... but only on the left, because I screwed up something else on the right!

Great post Streetlegal, thank you. The combination of the red & blue wires on the mirror harness works perfectly. I'm using the 10-pin connectors too, on my 2008 USDM car. So I am re-pinning the car harness at the doors to use the JDM connectors. My left mirror works perfectly, but I must have screwed up the pins for the right door. The joystick works fine to angle the mirror glass left & right, but up & down are reversed on the right-hand door. Annoying. Turn signal tests out fine, but weather is too warm to check the defog function. I am assuming it's fine, too. So the only problem on the right mirror is the reversed up/down function with the joystick. The next time someone has their passenger-side door card off, so it's easy to see the connectors, can you please post the wires' color-connections for the pins? Even if you just have a stock USDM car and mirrors, with 7 pins, it would be helpful so I can tell what the original color combination was supposed to be stock, on the right side. Right now I have this arrangement on the right mirror, that leads to a reversed up & down at the joystick: (mirror) purple ---> (car) blue & white striped (mirror) pink ---> (car) blue (mirror) black ---> (car) yellow (mirror) white ---> (car) blue & yellow striped (mirror) blue & red soldered together ---> (car) blue & red striped (mirror) black ---> (car) black (mirror) green ---> (car) black For the record, here is what works fine on the left side: (mirror) purple --->(car) red & white striped (mirror) pink ---> (car) red & yellow striped (mirror) black ---> (car) yellow (mirror) white ---> (car) black (mirror) blue & red soldered together ---> (car) blue & red striped (mirror) black ---> (car) black (mirror) green ---> (car) red & black striped Thanks in advance for any help fixing the right mirror pin arrangement.