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OK, so no problem with Cobb's setup. It has to do with other tuners learning to work with the Subaru settings. Sorry, this is the way that nasty, unfounded rumors get started that never seem to die!! FWIW, I have no connection to Cobb, other than as a satisfied customer.

Elaborate. That's a pretty broad statement to make.

Yep, I have found the same. It seems to take a good 100 miles of varied driving to set the adaptive learning mode. I even see this at the dragstrip the car seems to run better after 8-10 runs and the new parameters are learned. IMHO, this is the downside of folks who try to switch maps on a dyno to see the comparative differences. I don't believe they get a good "read" if a dyno pull is done right after switching maps. FWIW, in my former life working with (Taurus) SHOs, guys who did serious mods would have the adaptive learning disabled in the ECUs so that they could nail down more consistent parameters on heavily modded engines.

Unless I take mine in for an engine-related issue, I'll leave it alone. I left it alone when it went in for the rear wheel bearing and other minor stuff a couple of weeks ago. I'll also leave it alone when it goes into the bodyshop for the recent parking lot mishap (ouch!!!)

Yes. Put a good 100 miles of varied driving on it....preferably with your foot through the firewall when possible....and it will adapt.

I appreciate your irony!! And I also agree that running a special program to "maybe" get aother 1-2 MPG for a trip is not something that is of any interest to me. I'll run my Stage 1 program on a 2,300-mile trip to AZ, and save the $$$ by taking my Costco bottled water, and get Large rather than Biggie Fries for road food!!

I would say that it's totally unrelated, and probably existed before the AP. You also must remember that subconsciously you were more attentive to things after the AP load. If the AP were a piggyback chip, or some other '90s technology, it would be possible, but the AP doesn't add anything mechanical.

Do a Search on it. There are owner comments, as well as comments from the Cobb folks. No issues with CE lghts, but don't expect much.

Probably the key thig that I noticed with the AP in daily driving is that response in the 2-3K range is much better. 93 octane is readily available in MI, so there's no reason to run the 91 program. Gas quality doesn't matter, it's the octane, and octane will remain constant in gas regardless of the other swill that they put in it. Most areas of the country run "winter gas" with a lower vapor point for the winter.They have been doing so for years. The "worst" gas is the Summer Gas that the seven-county Detroit area must run (along with 13 other metro areas, as well as the areas that run RFG all year). This stuff is junk.....BUT the octane is still fine. The 93 octane map isn't that sensitive. I've mixed in partial tanks of 91 octane from stations in northern MI and it's still OK. Only time that I loaded a 91 octane realtime map over the 93 base map was when I drove out west this past summer where the stations only had 90-91 octane as their highest grade.

With the mix of driving that have, with very little-to-none of it stop-n-go, it's OK in 100-150 miles. I would say that if you reflashed it, then hopped on the freeway for a trip with the cruise set, then you would be talking a few hundred miles.

I still have most of the 1.10 maps saved, so I coud send you one (if I have what you need). But why? I found 1.15 to be a touch better.

Contact Cobb and ask them.

Real Time map stays there until you disconnect the battery (or disconnect power to the ECU for any reason). It's just like the Adaptive Learning logic in your ECU, that also gets reset when power is cut. Power stays active to the ECU when you turn off the key. You can go to Cobb's site and download the Manual for the AP,which will give you more info. The 100X is a "guesstimate" for reloads of base maps. IMHO, it's a non-issue. I've done a few base map reloads in the 9 months I've had mine, but that was primarily for new map releases from Cobb.

You need to do at least a 100 miles of varied driving to let the ECU adapt. I have seen this on moving from the 1.02 - 1.10 -1.15 Stage 1 maps. I saw it on the dragstrip when I ran with about 30 miles on the initial 1.02 AP load, then later when it settled in. Very noticeable difference on the street, also. This is not uncommon, my previous "car of choice" had the same deal. Now, some tuners will disable the adaptive learning to better control the tuning for serious mods, but for a basic daily driver with Stage 1, and even a mild Stage 2 setup, it works just fine.

If you do a search through these AP threads, there is a post from either Christian or Trey from Cobb about this. IIRC, they basically say that the car would probably run slower, with less power, if you don't at least have a better downpipe with Stage 2.

This had been mentioned in another thread, and since this is the main AP thread, with Cobb guys like Christian reading, I have one request for future AP upgrades: Remove the speed limiter on the Cruise Control. This has been an annoyance a few times over the last year, and I hit it again yesterday. If it can't be removed totally, getting it set anywhere aove the current 90 mph limit woud help a lot. Even my wife's Del Sol can be set over 90.

This has been discussed in many threads on this forum (which a Search will produce), or you can read it directly from Cobb's website: http://cobbtuning.com/legacy/accessport.html It only applies to base map loads, and frankly it should not a factor for anyone. Even if you only do a couple of base map flashes a year (for updated base maps) smple math tells you that you have lots of time left. If the LGT is like other cars, once a few get into boneyards a few years down the road, used ECUs shouldn't be more than a coupla hundred bucks at most.

It doesn't seem like it. I had a CEL I had to clear (forgot to plug the MAF sensor in after changing the air filter!!), and things seemed to be the same after that. I have always felt a difference with a new map before/after about 100 miles of driving.

I run the Stage 1 93 octane base map, and have had no issues. 93 octane is common around here but I have run 92 octane from stations out of the area. In fact, there's 92 octane in the car now from a station in northern MI. When I drove out to see my dad in Phoenix this past summer, I noticed that once got west of Amarillo, 90 was the highest octane at many stations. I flashed in the Stage 1 91 octane realtime map for the whole time that I was west of Amarillo, and had no issues. Felt a power loss, though. I loaded the Stage 1 93 octane realtime map once I got around Dallas on the way home.

Do a Search for the Economy Mode, it was discussed in some earlier threads in other AP topics. There are some specific driving conditions that make the Economy mode work as advertised.

Yes, you unplug it. I keep it in a ziplock bag in the storage bin over the spare tire.

Not a myth at all. It's been around at least since the late '80s with Ford, and Subaru has in in their description of the LGT. On Fords (and others I'm sure), tuners will remove the adaptive processing (with either chips or the SCTuner devices) on highly modified cars so that they can keep a consistent level of tune without the ECU trying to correct things.

Not sure that I agree with that. With the adaptive learning that many cars have (besides Subaru), the adaptive learning will fine-tune to your driving style. With a fresh AP base map load, I always feel a difference right off, but it does improve over time. I had the same situation on my previous Fords after doing resets to the EEC-IV ECUs, both with & without chips.

The mind can play many tricks......

Just download & go right to 1.15. I have found that it takes a good 100 miles to be totally adapted. I only have about 10 miles on 1.15, and while a couple of things feel a bit different, I won't know for awhile yet.