FPerron Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I just got an e-mail from Kevin Foote at Turner Motorsports informing me that Bilstein has just released a heavy duty shock that's made to work with the Legacy GT stock springs. You can check them out at: www.allshocks.com I just got coliovers for the track, so they're not exactly my cup of tea. Might be just the thing for improved street performance, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim1969 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biz77 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 $530 for a set. NICE! Now we just need the "SP" version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgemar Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 What type of bilsteins are they? the spec b's for the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Subscribing for more info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Interesting. Wonder how they will compare to JDM GT or JDM SpecB OEM dampers. I read Bilstein HDs are on the soft side. Also if they are designed for stock springs that implies stock GT top hats.... and kinda limits choice of springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdw Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Interesting. Wonder how they will compare to JDM GT or JDM SpecB OEM dampers. I read Bilstein HDs are on the soft side. Also if they are designed for stock springs that implies stock GT top hats.... and kinda limits choice of springs. The site says HD's are good for most applications, designed to work with stock springs. Meh. Probably better than stock but doesn't sound like what most people here are after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hifiandmtb Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I've fitted the following dampers to my Australian-spec (read: JDM top-hat) MY04 Liberty: BILSTEIN - B6 SPORT (model number 006710) Left front: VE3-B830 Right front: VE3-B831 Rear: BE5-B832 The website above lists the following part numbers for a Legacy: Left front: VE3-B830-H0 Right front: VE3-B831-H0 Rear: BE5-B832-H0 Buggered if I know what the "-H0" suffix means. I seriously doubt it means: Front damper compatible with USDM top-hatRevalved for OEM spring rateI could be wrong...why doesn't someone ask these questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucas569 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I've fitted the following dampers to my Australian-spec (read: JDM top-hat) MY04 Liberty: BILSTEIN - B6 SPORT (model number 006710) Left front: VE3-B830 Right front: VE3-B831 Rear: BE5-B832 The website above lists the following part numbers for a Legacy: Left front: VE3-B830-H0 Right front: VE3-B831-H0 Rear: BE5-B832-H0 Buggered if I know what the "-H0" suffix means. I seriously doubt it means: Front damper compatible with USDM top-hatRevalved for OEM spring rateI could be wrong...why doesn't someone ask these questions? GOOD INFO! how do you like them compared to OEM? were they stiffer? a short review would be nice btw i might pick these up when my car reaches 60k miles.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hifiandmtb Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 They are a gazillion times stiffer than stock - my car was delivered from the factory with pre-worn OEM rubbish that I was totally sick & tired of by 30,000km. Unfortunately, I can't make a direct OEM spring w/ Bilstein statement 'cause I fitted Whiteline Control springs at the same time. However, our little band of Liberty owners down-under has always thought OEM springs w/ Bilstein shocks would be a terrific combination. Do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTGT Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I've fitted the following dampers to my Australian-spec (read: JDM top-hat) MY04 Liberty: Nah. What we call "JDM top hats" means really "Bilstein OEM top hats". If your car didn't come OEM with Bilsteins (and it did not because it's 2.5i) you had KYB with the same top hats stock USDM GT has. That would confirm these fit "USDM top hats" (aka "KYB crapola top hats"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hifiandmtb Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Absolutely not true. The top-hats in my car are JDM-specific & fit both the OEM JDM Tokico shocks & Bilstein shocks. I do not have USDM top-hats in my car - I've seen what your top-hats look like & mine are nothing like them. The Bilstein shocks are designed for the Japanese market & fit the JDM top-hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Hmmm, one learns something new every day. Can you post pic of the top hats in your car? EDIT: wait a second, I assumed you reused YOUR STOCK top hats, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 And your car came OEM with Tokicos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hifiandmtb Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Oops - KYBs. Wish it came with Tokicos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Oops - KYBs. Wish it came with Tokicos! But did you reuse the KYB top hats for the Bilsteins, or you got Bilstein specific "JDM" ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hifiandmtb Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I used what came with my car - the ones that fitted the KYB struts. This thread discusses the differences: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3138&highlight=bilstein+top+hat There's pictures too - the JDM top-hats are flat, the USDM ones are all bulgey & stupid-looking http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1757&d=1095873327 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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biz77 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 European catalog http://www2.bilstein.de/downloads/Bilstein_Programm_05-GB.pdf North American Catalog: http://www.bilstein.com/303passengercars.pdf Per the European version: "B6 Sports The shock absorber for those drivers who prefer a sports suspension but are not particularly interested in lowering the body. Also available in special design complete with reservoir for off-road vehicles. No risk, more fun For some people it's important to show what they have, for others it's sufficient to know that they have it. The theme of the discussion here is the sports suspension. The BILSTEIN B6 Sports shock absorber is the ideal solution for drivers revelling in the understatement . The wolf in sheep's clothing snarls, when necessary, but otherwise goes reliably about its work in daily traffic with no lowering of the body whatsoever. Optimum road holding, enhanced tracking stabilisation and excellent damping force: the BILSTEIN B6 Sports is not only first choice as far as sports tuning is concerned but also in the sphere of safety." "B8 Sprint The shortened, high-performance shock absorber for lowered sports cars. Try hard Lower doesn't automatically mean better. Not the appearance of the car determines its quality but the optimal tuning of suspension, springs and shock absorbers. With this in mind BILSTEIN has specially developed the B8 Sprint for cars with lowered bodies. The shortened version represents the ideal pendant to suspension optimisation for nearly all sets of springs. Fast track changing at high speed, gobbling up uneven road surfaces, ironing out cross washboard surfaces ...The BILSTEIN B8 Sprint not only let's you look good but, above all, it gives you an excellent ride." Part numbers for the Legacy IV 2.0, 2.5 and 3.0 models per the European version of the catalog: B6: VE3-B830 left front VE3-B831 right front BE5-B832 rear either side B8: VE3-B830 left front VE3-B831 right front BE5-B832 rear either side It looks like the European models cross reference to our US spec models as follows: B6 = HD (heavy duty - designed with more aggresive valving designed for stock spring height) B8=SP (sport - designed for lowered ride height with more aggresive valving) Why does the European version list these as all the same part #'s not only for the B6/B8, but also for the different engines (2.0, 2.5 and 3.0)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaspert Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Per the European version: SNIP "B8 Sprint The shortened, high-performance shock absorber for lowered sports cars. Try hard Lower doesn't automatically mean better. Not the appearance of the car determines its quality but the optimal tuning of suspension, springs and shock absorbers. With this in mind BILSTEIN has specially developed the B8 Sprint for cars with lowered bodies. The shortened version represents the ideal pendant to suspension optimisation for nearly all sets of springs. Fast track changing at high speed, gobbling up uneven road surfaces, ironing out cross washboard surfaces ...The BILSTEIN B8 Sprint not only let's you look good but, above all, it gives you an excellent ride." B8: VE3-B830 left front VE3-B831 right front BE5-B832 rear either side Excellent ride my a.se, may be if you are coming from a track car. I have the B8 sprint in my GT and you need to prepare for harsh ride with Pink springs for street use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 my car is lower with Tein H-Tech's appox. 1" i want good controlled ride not a track car. the standard ones sound best for me, thoughts? bosco Stay Stock Stay Happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biz77 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Excellent ride my a.se, may be if you are coming from a track car. I have the B8 sprint in my GT and you need to prepare for harsh ride with Pink springs for street use. So is there any difference between the B6 and B8 and why is Bilstein quoting the exact same part numbers for the two? It looks like those in OZ, Russia and Europe have quite the options for Bilstein replacement struts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hifiandmtb Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 my car is lower with Tein H-Tech's appox. 1" i want good controlled ride not a track car. the standard ones sound best for me, thoughts? bosco B6 Sport for you. The main difference between B6 Sport & B8 Sprint is the shortened shock shaft on the B8. I would assume the B8 Sprint is also valved more firmly to resist an increased tendency to bottom out (shorter suspension travel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 thanks. don't want coilovers but do want a better suspension this sounds perfect will be calling allshocks tommorrow. bosco Stay Stock Stay Happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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