Leviman Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 The valve cover bolts are designed so that they bottom out against the shoulder. So it could be that you just snugged em up against the gasket, when you really had more to go. The service manual asks for subary gray sealant. I used ultragray and it worked for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated bucko3the7man Posted November 19, 2014 I Donated Share Posted November 19, 2014 Things you learned today: copper isn't Permatex UltraBlack. It doesn't seal oil. Get a tube of UltraBlack and do it right. Send me a PM if you want to exchange numbers and I can walk you through the correct application of the sealant to the gasket. I would be open to that prime minister, I'm doing mine on Friday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Samson Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Things you learned today: copper isn't Permatex UltraBlack. It doesn't seal oil. Get a tube of UltraBlack and do it right. Send me a PM if you want to exchange numbers and I can walk you through the correct application of the sealant to the gasket. OK, on my way to the store to grab Ultrablack. Kinda annoying since the tube of copper says things like "ideal for...valve covers" and "3x the oil resistance" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexi Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I don't think the copper liquid gasket was the problem. Did you apply the liquid gasket to all the shaded areas in the attached picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTris Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 It's a 50/50 application thing -- half goes on the head, and the other half goes on the VC, using the level changes (flow of the head) as the dividing line. At this point, Brock, you need to pull the motor out as far as you can and make sure you scrub the surfaces clean -- can't have any remaining sealant or copper on those faces before you apply the new RTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotokan1509 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 After alllll the other work I've just done, I also have this problem.. I probably shouldnt have cleaned all the gunk off haha. So the coils come off but plugs do not have to come out? They are straight through the valve covers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 After alllll the other work I've just done, I also have this problem.. I probably shouldnt have cleaned all the gunk off haha. So the coils come off but plugs do not have to come out? They are straight through the valve covers? You should remove the plugs too. You should also use a razor blade to clean the surfaces that the gasket and liquid gasket material will mate to. This isn't something that should just be cleaned a little, we are talking eat off it clean. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/153798190.jpg Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Enthusiasts since 2001. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotokan1509 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Ugh, I despise plugs on this car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated bucko3the7man Posted November 24, 2014 I Donated Share Posted November 24, 2014 Ugh, I despise plugs on this car I learned this weekend that they're a lot easier with the valve cover off. I also learned this weekend to be careful putting the valve cover back on or you'll cut the new gasket with your bolts. Hopefully I can find a new one quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated bucko3the7man Posted November 24, 2014 I Donated Share Posted November 24, 2014 Underdog to the rescue! Picking up my new one tomorrow! Don't make the same mistake I made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTris Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Yikes! Sorry I didn't see that post in time, Bucko. Other than the gasket, did you do okay? Third time's a charm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated bucko3the7man Posted November 24, 2014 I Donated Share Posted November 24, 2014 Other than that it went fine. I think I'll jack the motor up on the driver side to give me more clearance tonight though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated bucko3the7man Posted November 26, 2014 I Donated Share Posted November 26, 2014 In and all set now. Pro tip to anyone doing these in the future with the motor in the car, be sure to take the time to unbolt the motor mounts one at a time and jack that side of the car up. Makes it way easier to get the cover on correctly without damaging the gasket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Did you have to undo the exhaust (downpipe) in order to jack up the engine enough? "This is an adventure." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated bucko3the7man Posted February 8, 2015 I Donated Share Posted February 8, 2015 Did you have to undo the exhaust (downpipe) in order to jack up the engine enough? Nope, no exhaust needed undoing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 One more.. Likely tackling this tomorrow if I have time after doing the timing belt. Did you replace the half moon seals? I don't think they're leaking, should I just leave them alone? Also, how much RTV? Very thin bead? "This is an adventure." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated bucko3the7man Posted March 31, 2015 I Donated Share Posted March 31, 2015 One more.. Likely tackling this tomorrow if I have time after doing the timing belt. Did you replace the half moon seals? I don't think they're leaking, should I just leave them alone? Also, how much RTV? Very thin bead? I replaced 3/4 half moon seals, couldn't get a good angle on the top driver side one. Rtv those as you put them on also. Fair amount of rtv. Better to have more than not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Thanks! I was just worried about putting too much and it squeezing into the cam area, drying, then breaking off in chunks to get lodged somewhere. "This is an adventure." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSpeed Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) You should remove the plugs too. You should also use a razor blade to clean the surfaces that the gasket and liquid gasket material will mate to. This isn't something that should just be cleaned a little, we are talking eat off it clean. I'm misunderstanding I hope? Why do the plugs need to come out? And is RTV Ultra Copper really not good for oil surfaces? Their site claims it is: http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/gasketing/gasket-makers/permatex-ultra-copper-maximum-temperature-rtv-silicone-gasket-maker-detail "Three times more oil resistant than conventional silicones;" "Suggested Applications: Exhaust manifolds/headers, valve covers, oil pans, timing covers, water pumps, thermostat housings" http://www.permatex.com/documents/TDS/automotive/81878.pdf Edited April 8, 2015 by SSpeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTris Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I'm misunderstanding I hope? Why do the plugs need to come out? And is RTV Ultra Copper really not good for oil surfaces? Their site claims it is: http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/gasketing/gasket-makers/permatex-ultra-copper-maximum-temperature-rtv-silicone-gasket-maker-detail "Three times more oil resistant than conventional silicones;" "Suggested Applications: Exhaust manifolds/headers, valve covers, oil pans, timing covers, water pumps, thermostat housings" http://www.permatex.com/documents/TDS/automotive/81878.pdf No! UltraBlack or do it twice. Seriously, there's no other alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAP Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I use ultra copper 2yrs ago or so and havent had any issues. It had the highest temperature rating if I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloudSeed777 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 One more.. Likely tackling this tomorrow if I have time after doing the timing belt. Did you replace the half moon seals? I don't think they're leaking, should I just leave them alone? Also, how much RTV? Very thin bead? I'd go with Ultra-gray or the black as mentioned by tris. I used a very thin bead as you will see when you take them off most of the RTV gets squished aside and just a very thin coat is left between the gasket and head surface. You don't want that in your oil. On the half moons I coated the outside joints with a bit of Ultra Grey as well in case it seeped through. http://i.imgur.com/bKhdryG.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTris Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Here, I thought this might help, to know where to put the RTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSpeed Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 You put it on the entire valve cover? I have this from the service manual? http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k62/dil222/valvecover.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated bucko3the7man Posted April 14, 2015 I Donated Share Posted April 14, 2015 You do as in Tris' picture, the right side that has the elevation changes, and then you add bits on the half moon seals. Be sure to RTV on all sides of the half moon seals, curved when putting them on the cover and then flat side when you put the cover on the head. Put this on the valve cover not the head btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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