B4_Maniac Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Per the Japanese STI site the new tuning parts for the new Legacy. Of course you guys know I can read Japanese so, I will be more than happy to translate what you need. There is a PDF on the site that has parts numbers and specs. The only thing I wouldn't buy on the site were the Brembo break package. Only cuz I couldn't afford it! 5k..... :o http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/parts/blbp_legacy/cat2.html B4_Maniac
SC GT Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Translation re the pink springs: [quote]Improvement of the roll rigidity with spring rate rise low the strengthening coil spring which aimed for the improvement of the operation stability with center of gravity conversion. While assuring the balance conversion of riding comfort and travelling efficiency, as for spring rate the front 39N/mm and the rear 59N/mm and set of raising a little, approximately -15mm did height change also front and back. Both the front and the rear you prepared the spring of 3 types, in order to show the performance where the respective model is optimum with the combination with the difference of weight distribution such as touring wagon /B4 and MT/AT, you designed. Adjusting to GT and GT spec.B respective standard strut, it has set.[/quote]
B4_Maniac Posted June 27, 2004 Author Posted June 27, 2004 [quote name='SC GT']Translation re the pink springs: [quote]Improvement of the roll rigidity with spring rate rise low the strengthening coil spring which aimed for the improvement of the operation stability with center of gravity conversion. While assuring the balance conversion of riding comfort and travelling efficiency, as for spring rate the front 39N/mm and the rear 59N/mm and set of raising a little, approximately -15mm did height change also front and back. Both the front and the rear you prepared the spring of 3 types, in order to show the performance where the respective model is optimum with the combination with the difference of weight distribution such as touring wagon /B4 and MT/AT, you designed. Adjusting to GT and GT spec.B respective standard strut, it has set.[/quote][/quote] Acurate translation. I coudn't have done it better my self. Pink is STI's signiture color.
SUBE555 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Hate to break you the news, they've been up for quite some time. Perhaps as early as last fall. Don't recall for sure, but it's been at least several months. And the color isn't pink, it's Cherry Red.
B4_Maniac Posted June 27, 2004 Author Posted June 27, 2004 [quote name='SUBE555']Hate to break you the news, they've been up for quite some time. Perhaps as early as last fall. Don't recall for sure, but it's been at least several months. And the color isn't pink, it's Cherry Red.[/quote] No bubble burst, the big news is the parts list thats only been up since 6/25 :D !
gtguy Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Them Brembos is fancy stuff, but aren't they the same ones that are on the USDM STi? Rallispec is selling a front a rear complete set for $2200 or some such, and Mike Shields at SPD Tuning is selling 'em for $3K, for those who want some bling for their thing. With those springs, are those for JDM or USDM cars, which almost certainly have different strut valving, which might make the pink STi springs incompatible with the struts on cars in these here parts. Otherwise, it sounds like STi has done is usual thorough job, with (as I read that insane translation) different lowering springs for each model, GT, B4, wagon and sedan that further, take into account ride quality as well as handling balance. I predict that people will howl when they find out what the STi pink springs cost. WRX folks, when the STi pinks were just north of $400, were losing their minds, citing many cheaper alternatives. :lol: Many of them got what they paid for. :lol: The brake lines couldn't mess anything up, though, and we already have the short shifter over here. I'm presuming there are spherical bushings in the suspension arms, if I know STi. Nice stuff. I particularly like those gunmetal STi laced wheels, which are, at current conversion rates, about $865 USD per wheel. Yow! But yes, I would consider them. Those wheels are HOT! Kevin
SUBE555 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Hey Kevin, as per the STi springs, I know on a friends STi with STi pinks, he says the car rides now it should have from the factory, smoother, tighter, etc. I don't have a problem paying the $400-ish for the springs as I knew they would be. I'll probably go for the pillow-ball link set too when the time comes. It might be JDM parts, but they are quality like that on your wagon Kevin and I wouldn't want it any other way. As for those BBS wheels, I have the snowflakes on my current GT and I am so happy to not have them anymore, they look great when clean but are the biggest pain to keep that way. So much work to keep clean! Also, as far as stainless lines go, I'm going to add Stoptech lines at some point probably (unless the price point gets too close, at which point I'd just go with the STi lines, but as of right now they're fairly reasonable.) Might get the STi clutch host too, don't know. I really wouldn't mind an STi front Helical diff though. ;)
B4_Maniac Posted June 27, 2004 Author Posted June 27, 2004 Yeah, I am a FIRM beliver in you get what you pay for. So, I am not complaining about the prices. I also know that STI needs to make a profit off of parts like these so they can continue to make cool stuff like this. I heard through the grape vine that the Front Strut Tower Brace will be in soon. I am hopeing that SOA brings all these parts over with warrenty. I will love to see how that exhaust would look on my car. :D
gtguy Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 [quote name='SUBE555']Hey Kevin, as per the STi springs, I know on a friends STi with STi pinks, he says the car rides now it should have from the factory, smoother, tighter, etc. I don't have a problem paying the $400-ish for the springs as I knew they would be. I'll probably go for the pillow-ball link set too when the time comes. It might be JDM parts, but they are quality like that on your wagon Kevin and I wouldn't want it any other way.[/quote] Oh I know, Sube, but the struts on the USDM STi are JDM spec, so the springs would make sense for those struts. It looks like the JDM pink springs for the Legacy are for the JDM-spec struts, which (though unconfirmed) are almost certainly different from the USDM struts. Once we get info on shock valving and firmness, then we'll know if they'll work or not. Can someone translate the information for the suspension links package? I'm wondering about that one...those shouldn't be market-dependent (no, not for me :lol: ). Kevin
godwhomismike Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 That exhaust looks pretty hot, but will it imrove the overall sound of the car, from what I been reading here the car is extremely quiet - I would love to have some rumble and deep exhaust sound, nothing silly loud, but I would like a nice rumble without sounding like a lawnmower or fart can. Any word on installing the STi turbo on the Legacy? - Mike
gtguy Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 [quote name='godwhomismike']That exhaust looks pretty hot, but will it imrove the overall sound of the car, from what I been reading here the car is extremely quiet - I would love to have some rumble and deep exhaust sound, nothing silly loud, but I would like a nice rumble without sounding like a lawnmower or fart can. Any word on installing the STi turbo on the Legacy? - Mike[/quote] Paul Hansen has installed exhausts on his car, and says it is still very quiet (the way I like it, I might add). As far as installing the STi turbo, a larger turbo will create more lag. The real question is, will it create more horsepower, or simply reliability issues for the engine? Will the ECU adapt to the larger turbo, and allow you to just bolt one up, letting the ECU do its own thing with boost---you'd feel a gain from the same boost with a larger turbo---or would it be all flummoxed up? There's the quandary now, isn't it? Potentially, you could turn the Legacy into a loud, laggy, bumpy-riding car in an improperly-used aftermarket, as some people probably will. It's that whole freedom of choice thing. I wonder why the STi exhausts went to twin tip instead of single tip? Probably to be contrary, which is why their WRX muffler goes from twin tip to single tip. If it looks the same, how will anyone know you've done anything? Kevin
godwhomismike Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 [quote name='gtguy'][quote name='godwhomismike']That exhaust looks pretty hot, but will it imrove the overall sound of the car, from what I been reading here the car is extremely quiet - I would love to have some rumble and deep exhaust sound, nothing silly loud, but I would like a nice rumble without sounding like a lawnmower or fart can. Any word on installing the STi turbo on the Legacy? - Mike[/quote] Paul Hansen has installed exhausts on his car, and says it is still very quiet (the way I like it, I might add). As far as installing the STi turbo, a larger turbo will create more lag. The real question is, will it create more horsepower, or simply reliability issues for the engine? Will the ECU adapt to the larger turbo, and allow you to just bolt one up, letting the ECU do its own thing with boost---you'd feel a gain from the same boost with a larger turbo---or would it be all flummoxed up? There's the quandary now, isn't it? Potentially, you could turn the Legacy into a loud, laggy, bumpy-riding car in an improperly-used aftermarket, as some people probably will. It's that whole freedom of choice thing. I wonder why the STi exhausts went to twin tip instead of single tip? Probably to be contrary, which is why their WRX muffler goes from twin tip to single tip. If it looks the same, how will anyone know you've done anything? Kevin[/quote] Hmm I wasn't going to go drastic on the car, I would wait until there is a good ECU tune for the car, do an ECU reflash/chip to raise the boost up a few lbs. I don't want something laggy, but would like a nice kick when the boost kicks in. As for a loud obnoxious sounding car, I don't want that either, but would like a low rumble to know the car means business. - Mike
SC GT Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Translation re the suspension links: [quote]Rear suspension link set (the pillow) 44,100 Yen (consumer tax removal 42,000 Yen) front link of the rear suspension (toe control link) both sides, rear link (lower lateral link) those which modify ラバーブッシュ inside in the pyro ball bush. When operation of the rear suspension is made smooth, response lag of the rear wheel is decreased, it raises camber rigidity simultaneously and persists and improves the impression.[/quote] Translation courtesy of babelfish via altavista.com.
gtguy Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 [quote name='SC GT']Translation re the suspension links: [quote]Rear suspension link set (the pillow) 44,100 Yen (consumer tax removal 42,000 Yen) front link of the rear suspension (toe control link) both sides, rear link (lower lateral link) those which modify ラバーブッシュ inside in the pyro ball bush. When operation of the rear suspension is made smooth, response lag of the rear wheel is decreased, it raises camber rigidity simultaneously and persists and improves the impression.[/quote] Translation courtesy of babelfish via altavista.com.[/quote] As I suspected...the same as the pink bits for the WRX. Thanks for that. Kevin
brady_bunch Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Paul, what all have you tried as far as exhaust on your car? I, too, would like a little more rumble than stock as long as I don't make the exhaust note obnoxious at WOT. [quote name='SUBE555']And the color isn't pink, it's Cherry Red.[/quote] I don't care if they call it Lime Green, it's still pink. :lol: That being said...where can I buy the parts? :D
gtguy Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 [quote name='godwhomismike']Hmm I wasn't going to go drastic on the car, I would wait until there is a good ECU tune for the car, do an ECU reflash/chip to raise the boost up a few lbs. I don't want something laggy, but would like a nice kick when the boost kicks in. As for a loud obnoxious sounding car, I don't want that either, but would like a low rumble to know the car means business. - Mike[/quote] I guess that's where the individual preferences come in. The GT is tuned for smooth power delivery, as opposed to the more laggy, but more kick-oriented WRX power delivery. The equal-length headers apparently remove that traditional Subaru rumble which, oddly enough, sounds quite a lot like a Bentley Arnage I heard being started up on Oak Street the other day. Very nice exhaust note for a car that means serious business (and serious cash). The question about raising boost is an interesting one, that also brings to mind ultimate reliability. Presumably, a "few lbs" could put the car into an unstable operating condition long-term, even if short-term, an ECU remapping or reflash made such an operating state technically okay. The question is, how close to the bone is the Legacy's motor operating? Probably not that close, but how much leeway is there? I imagine tuners are racing to find the answer to that one, and be first to the dance with some sort of system. Personally, I don't believe in power mods, because I have doubts about their long-term desirability/reliability for a car I intend to keep for quite a while. But I also think the ultimate capability of a car lies with the driver. A good driver in a 227-hp WRX can school a mediocre driver in a 450-hp Viper. Ultimately, how much is too much or too little lies with each individual owner. Kevin
waflowers Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 [quote name='SUBE555']... I know on a friends STi with STi pinks ...[/quote] Cherry red! :lol:
Drift Monkey Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 [quote name='godwhomismike']That exhaust looks pretty hot, but will it imrove the overall sound of the car, from what I been reading here the car is extremely quiet - I would love to have some rumble and deep exhaust sound, nothing silly loud, but I would like a nice rumble without sounding like a lawnmower or fart can. Any word on installing the STi turbo on the Legacy? - Mike[/quote] I think the setup is totally different. The turbo won't be able to bolt up to the Legacy. Oh and it's Cherry BLOSSOM Red. :P
B4_Maniac Posted June 28, 2004 Author Posted June 28, 2004 [quote name='waflowers'][quote name='SUBE555']... I know on a friends STi with STi pinks ...[/quote] Cherry red! :lol:[/quote] Well guys, how about I came to work with a nice grin today. I decided to opean my Leggy up today. I have 7hun miles on her, and I decided to see what she has power wise. All I have to say is :o . There is no need to increase the power of that car. Flame me now, or forever hold your peace. The car is a monster. The power delivery is not dramatic but smooth and UNYEILDING. My girlfriend was in the passenger seat today when I unleashed her, and she was struck quite with aww. Plus the growl of the engine at 5k is a thing of beuty. This is a B4. :evil: Keep the turbo spooled and boy you will be in for some good times. Cars were falling by the wayside on the highway this morning before I decided to pull her back. I am glad the exhaust not is so subtle that it doesn't ruin the growl of that beutiful engine. The engine is soooooooooooo nice. All I would do to this car is stiffen the springs, get better tires and a strut brace to fight the nasty understear monster and I will be set for life. B4_Maniac
IwannaSportSedan Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 There are some cool BBS wheels in that catalog. Better than the Genome wheels, that is for sure. There is also a necessity, a mesh grille insert. The legacy is just begging for that. The chrome bar through the grille just seems superfluous to me. just a simple mesh grille, with or without the subie badge. Wheels, grille, white front indicator headlights, and shortshifter would be first week mods, since I won't be able to afford one for another 2 years, and will likely buy one lightly used. I'll have to add those into the purchase price, or buy em a bit before the car, and have them ready to go. The Genome gauges look awesome, though. A great alternative to a blank cubby. I am not sold on Nav systems, anyway. I can find my own way just fine, and that is half the fun. Hopefully someone comes out with a tastefull, small rear deck lip spoiler that is just an extension of the bodyline across the top rear of the trunk-lid. Maybe a complimenting peice across the top of the rear window. Give it that german DTM touring car championship look. I am considering a silver or blue car with a blacked-out roof, a-la BMW M3 CSL, but that might be too much. The rain rails don't look very pronounced anyway. I also like the look of the Outback sedan's fender flares. I wonder if it would be easier to graft on the rear fender flares, and bolt on the sill extensions, front fenders, and bumper covers onto a legacy, or to graft on the lower sport suspension, and other bits, and turn an Outback XT or 3.0R sedan back into a Legacy GT Limited. The wider fender wells filled with 18x8 or 18x9 BBS RG-R wheels and 235-245 series summer tires, at the legacy's ride height, or very slightly lower, would look great. I want a modestly tuned up sport sedan, not a SUV alternative, but those Outback fender flares are nice, and I know they'll fit correctly. STi parts sound like a perfect fit in that theme.
gtguy Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 [quote name='B4_Maniac'][quote name='waflowers'][quote name='SUBE555']... I know on a friends STi with STi pinks ...[/quote] Cherry red! :lol:[/quote] Well guys, how about I came to work with a nice grin today. I decided to opean my Leggy up today. I have 7hun miles on her, and I decided to see what she has power wise. All I have to say is :o . There is no need to increase the power of that car. Flame me now, or forever hold your peace. The car is a monster. The power delivery is not dramatic but smooth and UNYEILDING. My girlfriend was in the passenger seat today when I unleashed her, and she was struck quite with aww. Plus the growl of the engine at 5k is a thing of beuty. This is a B4. :evil: Keep the turbo spooled and boy you will be in for some good times. Cars were falling by the wayside on the highway this morning before I decided to pull her back. I am glad the exhaust not is so subtle that it doesn't ruin the growl of that beutiful engine. The engine is soooooooooooo nice. All I would do to this car is stiffen the springs, get better tires and a strut brace to fight the nasty understear monster and I will be set for life. B4_Maniac[/quote] See, I said I wasn't going to be contrary today and dangit...here I am. Strut tower braces do nothing for understeer. Sway bars can affect understeer, front lower braces can add understeer. Understeer can be affected by tire pressures, driving style, etc. But strut tower bars have zero effect on it. Now, the rest of your post fills my heart with song. And as one who doesn't believe in power mods, I'm happy to hear someone who has finally gotten on the full juice say that there's plenty of motivational power. The pink STi springs may well work for the USDM cars. I'd be curious to know what our strut valving is compared to the JDM GT. Kevin
B4_Maniac Posted June 28, 2004 Author Posted June 28, 2004 Sorry, I forgott to add sway bars! Not just STB! But, today I couldn't wait to go on lunch to go punch around in the Leggy today. Man, I almost didn't come back. I am in love with this engine. I thought I would never love an engine with cylenders again but god dammit I do! GOOD WORK SUBARU!!!! KEEP IT UP!!!
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