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Andrew, lookin good my friend.

 

Did you put in the new bump stops? from what I know of my car, and how yours looks for where it is sitting, are you clearing them? I am sure Sean and all them got is all worked out.

 

looking foward to hearing a report of how the GPs handle and ride.

 

Did you also do sways? or any other suspension?

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Looks great drewster. Could you measure the height above ground just behind the front mud guards? That would allow me to determine just how much lowering you endeup with...

 

Thanks

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/urabus/d415/ht.jpg

 

It's currently at 8-1/2" from ground to the bottom of the plastic rocker panel. I'm still working on adjusting the ride height so it's probably going to change.

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now you need a 8" body kit!

 

Keefe

hmmm, not sure about body kits and if you're at all serious :lol:. But you seem to be wheel offset master so.... I want to stuff 245/45-18s with 18x8.5-ET48mm inside these wheelwells, do you think that'll work? Option 2 is same tire size with 18x8ET51mm. Remember the offset for the OEM wheels on OBs is 48mm.
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Looks good ... just about to take the plunge myself!

 

$1,500 is a sizeable amount of $$ though!

 

before you do, check with drewster, I believe he is having a few issues with the rear and the bump stops....some coilovers need custom modification in order to work with our outbacks. I know Chucktoo had to modify his Zeals to work. My Cusco don't need modification, and it looks like the GP's might need some modification like the Zeals do. I know drewster was working on the issue, and may have it resolved, so he might be able to chime in here with what he found out.

 

so....before you spend that kind of money, make sure it works first.;)

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Drewster came by RalliTEK yesterday. We raised the rear a bit since the new GT rear bump stops are not in at the dealer. RalliTEK shop trimmed the Outback bumps stops down a bit for the mean time. Looks like the GPMoto coilovers work great on the Outback, there is still lots of room to go up, but the bumps limit how low. (Still want to hear from Drewster about how he likes the ride now)

 

Depending on how low you and to go, the rear stops should be trimmed or replaced. If you leave the ride height up enough, it is not needed.

 

-Sean S.

www.RalliTEK.com / www.rallitek.net

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how does 1 measure with a tape measure upside-down

It's locked at the 12" mark and the length of the tape measure body is 2-1/2" so just ignore the numbers and count the inch increments and add 2-1/2" to the total.

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I have to report back it's not all good news with my results. I appreciate the time Sean @ RalliTek has taken to try and troubleshoot the coilover installation. When I hit road imperfections at in town speeds, I'm getting a consistent click/creak noise that seems to be coming from within the dash around. We tried adding an upper strut bar which "seemed" to lessen some of the clicking noise but did not eliminate it. I wonder if there are other components being put under stress with the suspension lowering that is causing the click/creak noise? I would be curious to hear if 03Indigo has noticed any new noise from his coilover setup.

 

Ride is too harsh in my opinion. Compounded with the click/creak noise every time I hit a bump, I am not happy with the results. Sean has mentioned that softer springs may be more to my liking.

 

I understand we're kind of breaking new ground with lowering of the Outback so I can't fault anyone if it doesn't work right out of the box. I plan on increasing my ride height to the coilover's max and see if that eliminates the creaking noise. If that works then I will try and soften the ride.

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When I hit road imperfections at in town speeds, I'm getting a consistent click/creak noise that seems to be coming from within the dash around. I would be curious to hear if 03Indigo has noticed any new noise from his coilover setup.

 

Andrew....I have occasional clicking, but nothing like what you describe...only the standard coil over metal on metal sounds. I only hear the noise at super low speeds and over BIG bumps...like the curb into my driveway, and speed bumps or pot holes. once over about 10mph...I don't hear anything, and hte car is solid.

 

Make sure your H-brace is tightened down well, that has caused some problems, but I doubt the change in ride height had that much effect on the suspension components.

 

I don't have a strut tower brace, don't feel the car really needs it, but will get one for the engine bay bling, bling factor :)

 

I certainly hope you get the issues worked out, what are your dampening settings at...if you are at about 10-25% in the front and 20-40% in the rear, that should be a comfortable ride...that is about the range I have mine set. On my Cusco's, there are 5 positions for the dampening, 1 being softest, and 5 being hardest. I am running at setting 2 on the front, and 3 in the rear....and that feels great. You know my height settings, and the springs feel great. My spring rates are 8nm or something like that. I know it is a value of 8, which is pretty stiff from what i understand. I am VERY happy with my set up...but I also am more accustomed to a bit firmer ride...but hate HARSH rides.

 

I wish we were in the same area so we could do a side by side comparison, and back to back drives to see the difference in the set ups.

 

keep us updated on what you all work out and what route you go.

 

someone needs to develop a better shock spring set up for the outback...that maintains some of the ride height...say a 1" drop, but stiffer springs and better dampening....that would sell VERY well. [cough] Sean at rallitek...hint, hint [cough]. I know in the years to come, as i need to rebuild these Cusco's, which will be a pain in the butt, I will be looking for something like Bilstien and spring combo that works with the outback and height issues. Is there anyone out there that can push for these to be made? I would be all over those...when the cusco's are due to rebuild in a couple of years.

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Update:

 

Was back @ Rallitek on the weekend and I think we've tackled the click/creak noise. The pillowballs (at least I think that's what the part was) on top of the front coilovers were swapped out and greased and then replaced and the noise that was driving me crazy seems to have disappeared. The ride seems less harsh as well, not sure if it's psychological because I wasn't hearing the creak at every bump but I could probably live with this ride. We also raised the ride height a tad, maybe 1/4 to 1/2" higher than before. I wanted some of that outback wheel gap back, at least for now.

 

For any OB owners who may be thinking of going with the GPMoto coilovers, I've taken shots of the height from ground to the arc of the wheelwells. I was told that we could have gone even higher, but that means raising the spring perches up which probably puts more preload on the springs so I wouldn't know how that would affect the quality of the ride.

The fronts are at 27 1/2" from the ground, the rears are at 28" from the ground.

 

FRONT

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/urabus/d415/rt-front.jpg

 

 

REAR

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/urabus/d415/rt-rear.jpg

 

 

SHOT OF COILOVER W/CUSCO STRUT BAR

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/urabus/d415/rt2.jpg

 

 

DID YOU KNOW THERE'S A 2ND HOLD IN THE HOOD SO YOU CAN PROP THE HOOD UP TO ALMOST 90 DEGREES?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/urabus/d415/rt4.jpg

 

The coilovers were comfortable enough during my 3 hour drive back from Portland. I really haven't had a chance to drive it too much in town or really push it around corners yet, I'll do that once I get my alignment done this week and I'll report back as to how the car really handles now with the coilovers.

 

THE OUTBACK IN IT'S CURRENT FORM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/urabus/d415/obxt_blk.jpg

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I am in love with your Cusco strut bar. I have to have one once I get my suspension setup for the legacy. That is NICE.

 

Nice to hear the suspension issues are working at as well.

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sorry for stupid question: but why bother with outback and not get a LGT instead?

 

Even lowered, the outback has more room than a stock GT...it also has the added body kit on it, fender kit, etc. For some they like the look, but disliked the soft floaty suspension that came stock with the outback, so by making it a bit lower, stiffer, and more responsive, they have a happy medium between the 2 cars.

 

I personally prefer the looks of the outback over the Legacy wagon, so that is why I went that route...not to mention the larger tire set that you can fit in there...fills up the wheel wells a bit better....245-45-18 is a lot more meat than the oem LGT that comes with 215-45-17. I think it is nearly a 2" difference in diameter between the 2 cars.

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