SUBE555 Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 Well folks, I have a couple days to make the choice. I am selecting an all-season tire for my new GT Wagon coming in the next couple of days and want to have the tires for the car at the dealership within the next week or so. I'm so torn between these two, the Pirelli has been around for a little bit while the Toyo is listed as relatively new. Yes, I know of the trade-offs in ultimate dry and ultimate snow traction levels with an A/S tire, but if either is close to my Conti CEC's in the snow and definitely better in the dry, it'll be fine for daily driving. I will have something else for warm weather and/or racing. So here is the info, help me decide: [url=http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_lines/high_perf/proxes_4.html]Toyo Proxes 4[/url] [img]http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_lines/high_perf/proxes4_images/proxes4_large.jpg[/img] [url=http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=PZero+Nero+M%26S]Pirelli PZero Nero M&S[/url] [img]http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/pirelli/pi_p_zero_nero_ci2_l.jpg[/img] (The Pirelli site barely has any info.)
axis008 Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 Now the only opinion I have on the Pirellis is from the Tire Rack site. Since you said that the Proxes is a new tire, do you think reviews from the Tire Rack site can provide an accurate analysis of the tire? (I haven't checked yet) -ben
SUBE555 Posted June 25, 2004 Author Posted June 25, 2004 I'm just going by description. 1010tires gives a bias towards the Toyo. *shrug* 1010Tires.com Results (if they mean anything...) [b]RE92's[/b] Dry-3.3 Wet-2 Snow-1.5 Handling-2.9 Comfort-2.8 Noise-2.6 Treadwear-1.8 Overall-2.4 [b]The Pirelli:[/b] Dry-4.9 Wet-4.2 Snow-3 Handling-4.7 Comfort-4.4 Noise-4.4 Treadwear-4.4 Overall-4.3 [b]The Toyo:[/b] Dry-4.8 Wet-4.7 Snow-3.3 Handling-4.8 Comfort-4.8 Noise-4.7 Treadwear-4.6 Overall-4.6 BTW, has anyone used OnlineTires.com? They seem to have just about the best prices on the Toyo's at $91per.
DrGT Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 I am taking delivery of my Limited GT wagon this afternoon :D :D :D I've had the RE92 changed for a set of P-Zero Nero M+S ... Hope they're good! Paul Hansen review was interesting (a few weeks ago I guess). BTW, I don't need snow capabilities as I will use real winter tires (lots of snow and ice here in Québec!)
Dr. Zevil Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 I guess I don't know what to tell you Sube. You have me wondering about my Pzero purchase. Those Toyo's look really nice and they are cheaper. I will look around for a review on them. I am always one to play it relatively safe so I might just stick to the Pirelli's. I will have a look around for you (and me).
racerdave Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 Let's not forget that compared to most other tires in that size, the Pirelli's are cheap too. Nothing against the Toyos, but I've not read a bad word about the Pirelli's anywhere.
Drift Monkey Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 The Toyos seems to have higher marks. I don't think I'll vote, because I have 0 experience with either set. :lol:
Dr. Zevil Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 [quote name='racerdave']Let's not forget that compared to most other tires in that size, the Pirelli's are cheap too. Nothing against the Toyos, but I've not read a bad word about the Pirelli's anywhere.[/quote] This is true. And this is why I will be going with the Pirelli's.
SUBE555 Posted June 25, 2004 Author Posted June 25, 2004 Maybe I should just play Devil's advocate and order the Toyo's so we have a good comparison. It's relatively new as I've seen and a few marks on NASIOC I've seen thus far paint the picture fairly well in it's case. How about Ross, you get the Nero's and I'll get the Proxes 4's and we can both test each others cars to see how they feel? Should be a fairly even comparison. :)
racerdave Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 Works for me. :) Good idea Seth. Hey, the odds of either tire being dramatically better than the RE92s are pretty freakin' high, so I don't think you'd lose with either tire.
Drift Monkey Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 [quote name='SUBE555']Maybe I should just play Devil's advocate and order the Toyo's so we have a good comparison. It's relatively new as I've seen and a few marks on NASIOC I've seen thus far paint the picture fairly well in it's case. How about Ross, you get the Nero's and I'll get the Proxes 4's and we can both test each others cars to see how they feel? Should be a fairly even comparison. :)[/quote] I personally, for some reason, would go with the Toyos. I know the Pirellis are tested and true, but think of what you could be missing. Take the risk (so the rest dont have to). :P
SUBE555 Posted June 25, 2004 Author Posted June 25, 2004 I think I'm going to order the Toyo's. They're new, based on the T1-S in construction as far as I've heard. Yes, I can't go wrong with either in comparison to the RE92 anyhow. Someone has to try them. :P
Dr. Zevil Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 Where are you going to order them from? I know you saw that thread over on NASIOC because you posted in it. I think I am just going to have tire rack drop ship my Pirelli's at Chilson's. Who know's, they may screw up our order's once the tires get there and you may end up with the Pirellis and I might end up with the Toyos. I think that either choice is going to be vaslty superior to anything that we could choose in the ultra0high performance all-season segment. I can't wait to get my car.. and I get it exactly the way I want it. On another note: I never had any problems in winter with my RE92's so I wonder if I will have any problems with the pzeros? I don't want to use a dedicated snow tire because, like you said Seth, it's just not worth it.
SUBE555 Posted June 25, 2004 Author Posted June 25, 2004 Here is where I was looking at the Toyo's: [url=http://www.ec-securehost.com/OnlineTires.com/Toyo_Proxes_4.html]OnlineTires.com[/url].
Dr. Zevil Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 Did you see the other website that had some cheap Toyo's on it? [url]http://www.treadepot.com/tireswheels.c/orders/index.html[/url]
praedet Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 I have actually seen a lot of bad feedback on Pirellis. Take a search through the R-forum board on swedespeed. The Pzeros have given them a lot of trouble. I actually have heard good things about the Toyos, nothing about this specific Pirelli.
racerdave Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 Yes, but... The PZeros are not the same tire as the Nero. The PZeros on the Volvo R's are the old style PZero, which is a design that's quite a bit older than the Nero's. When I was referring to good feedback on the Pirellis, I was referring to the Nero's and Nero M&S.
Drift Monkey Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 Needless to say I voted for the Toyos in spite of you PZero fanboys. :P
Dr. Zevil Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 I wouldn't say that I am a fanboy of anything.. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion. :lol: As a matter of fact I like the tread patterns on both the Toyos and the Pirellis. I think that I will go with the Pirellis though. Don't worry DM, you pushed me over the edge on getting the RBP.. you can't win them all.
Th3Franz Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 Good, Seth and Ross, get different tires and compare them. Then I will know what to decide since I too am deciding between these two tires. -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz
axis008 Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 [quote name='Th3Franz']Good, Seth and Ross, get different tires and compare them. Then I will know what to decide since I too am deciding between these two tires.[/quote] Haha, I like that! -ben
outahere Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 Get a set of Toyos, burn through them in 15,000 miles, then get the Pirellis and burn through them in 15,000 miles. The best of both worlds.
Dr. Zevil Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 [quote name='Th3Franz']Good, Seth and Ross, get different tires and compare them. Then I will know what to decide since I too am deciding between these two tires.[/quote] Someone needs to compare them :lol: I still find it hard to believe that RE92s cost more than the pzeros. There is no justice. I wonder how they sell any of those.
SUBE555 Posted June 27, 2004 Author Posted June 27, 2004 Just taking another look at the digits... Toyo is a 91W load rating which equates to 1356lbs/corner, while the Pirelli is an 87W, which equates to 1201lbs/corner. Just food for thought. BTW, ordered the Toyos from TreaDepot.com for $402 shipped! Can't beat that!
Dr. Zevil Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 The load rating shouldn't matter in the least though should it?
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