godwhomismike Posted June 24, 2004 Posted June 24, 2004 I wanted (and still want) an Audi TT 3.2 in the worst way. I like the shape, love the interior, the AWD, that new dsg tranny, exhaust sound, etc etc etc. I'm going to be getting quotes throughout the summer and see by early September if there is one that won't be to the tune of $600+/mo for a lease (or one of those special finances with the balloon payment). I have yet to test drive either the Legacy GT Limited (sedan) or the Audi TT 3.2, but in the coming weeks I will and let you know what I though of both cars. As much as I am impressed with the Legacy, the TT just pulls at my heart strings quite a bit more. Right now, I am judging based on looks, although I have sat in a TT 3.2 coupe (just didn't drive it) and played with the radio, controls, etc etc and loved the way the seating position was, how well the seats felt, and the sound quality from the Bose I felt sounded very crisp and clean. I looked over a '05 Legacy GT Limited at the NY Auto show and was very impressed, even though I wanted the TT more and also didn't want another 4-door car. I also looked inside a '05 Outback at a nearby dealership, turned it on, like the way the gauges looked, the radio system sounded good, but I only heard it for about 30 seconds so that's not a good enough evaluation of it, the interior looked very good, not as good as the TT but I did find it better looking than just about everything else in the $30K price range. To me the interior is very important - that is the reason why I never looked that hard at the G35 coupe, I didn't care for the interior at all. As far as performance goes, do you think they'll be on par with each other? The TT 3.2 coupe is rated to do 0-60 in 6.3 seconds, but there is no word on the Legacy GT Limited sedan (5EAT). Do you think the Leg will be able to do the twisties as well as the TT 3.2? Also, how does the Legacy GT sound under heavy acceleration? I have seen a few videos of the TT 3.2 revving and under heavy acceleration and it sounded awesome. How does the turbo feel on the leg once it kicks in, is it a sudden burst of acceleration or does it just flow smoothly where your unable to really notice it, also can you hear the turbo when it kicks in? Basically, I am looking for a good looking, AWD, sporty car which has good performance, and a well-appointed interior. Opinions? (No flames please) - Mike
godwhomismike Posted June 24, 2004 Author Posted June 24, 2004 2004 Audi TT 3.2 Interior: [img]http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/ly/images/04tt_4.jpg[/img] 2005 Legacy GT Interior: [img]http://www.legacysti.com/files/interior_nightrev.jpg[/img] - Mike
godwhomismike Posted June 24, 2004 Author Posted June 24, 2004 '04 Audi TT 3.2 w/ Ocean Blue exterior: (Canadian model - thus wierd bumper add-on) [img]http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/ly/images/04tt_6.jpg[/img]
racerdave Posted June 24, 2004 Posted June 24, 2004 Comparing a sedan to a coupe? (and a small coupe at that)
godwhomismike Posted June 24, 2004 Author Posted June 24, 2004 [quote name='racerdave']Comparing a sedan to a coupe? (and a small coupe at that)[/quote] Both have AWD, 250hp, and good looking interiors. I'm wondering if the Legacy GT will ba able to handle as well as a small coupe. - Mike
gtguy Posted June 24, 2004 Posted June 24, 2004 No, the Legacy won't be able to handle as well as a small coupe. That's why one is a sedan, and one is a coupe. Comparing apples to oranges gets an unsatisfactory result, no matter how the test is weighted. If you want the TT get the TT, and be happy. That's what it's all about. Kevin
godwhomismike Posted June 24, 2004 Author Posted June 24, 2004 [quote name='Drift Monkey']The TT uses the Haldex system. Ugh.[/quote] What is the Haldex system, and how does it work? - Mike
GBY Posted June 24, 2004 Posted June 24, 2004 [quote name='godwhomismike'][quote name='Drift Monkey']The TT uses the Haldex system. Ugh.[/quote] What is the Haldex system, and how does it work? - Mike[/quote] Second to last post in [url=http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1256315&postid=12208775#12208775]this[/url] thread and various posts [url=http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1256669]here[/url] Mike, Don't be confused with the above being VW forums, the TT shares the same drivetrain as the R32 (apart from DSG, US R32's don't get it but Euro R32's do). BTW, the R32 is around $14k cheaper than the TT. The biggest difference is the bodywork, the R handles for all intensive purposes as well as the TT and is actually a little faster (less weight). The interior, like the Audi is :o And the exhaust :o :o It's worth considering.
GBY Posted June 24, 2004 Posted June 24, 2004 [quote name='Drift Monkey']Teh TT uses the Haldex system. Ugh.[/quote] All AWD sytems have advantages and disadvantages, you've been reading to many biased Subaru forums.
Drift Monkey Posted June 24, 2004 Posted June 24, 2004 [quote name='Gumby'][quote name='Drift Monkey']Teh TT uses the Haldex system. Ugh.[/quote] All AWD sytems have advantages and disadvantages, you've been reading to many biased Subaru forums.[/quote] Um, ok. Thanks for informing me and at the same time insulting my intellegence level. :roll:
racerdave Posted June 24, 2004 Posted June 24, 2004 Here's a suggestion: stop beating on each other and just cite some pros and cons for the thread starter. ;)
GBY Posted June 24, 2004 Posted June 24, 2004 [quote name='Drift Monkey'][quote name='Gumby'][quote name='Drift Monkey']Teh TT uses the Haldex system. Ugh.[/quote] All AWD sytems have advantages and disadvantages, you've been reading to many biased Subaru forums.[/quote] Um, ok. Thanks for informing me and at the same time insulting my intellegence level. :roll:[/quote] Okay, maybe that was a bit harsh but instead of just saying, "Ugh" why don't you tell us why you don't like it?
Drift Monkey Posted June 24, 2004 Posted June 24, 2004 [quote name='Gumby']Okay, maybe that was a bit harsh but instead of just saying, "Ugh" why don't you tell us why you don't like it?[/quote] Because we've had countless discussions on this topic already, reffering to the R32. [url]http://www.legacysti.com/viewtopic.php?t=326&highlight=haldex[/url]
WRXTom Posted June 24, 2004 Posted June 24, 2004 [quote]As far as performance goes, do you think they'll be on par with each other? The TT 3.2 coupe is rated to do 0-60 in 6.3 seconds, but there is no word on the Legacy GT Limited sedan (5EAT). [/quote] Straight line performance should be quite similar. The GT is torquey with little lag. [quote] Do you think the Leg will be able to do the twisties as well as the TT 3.2? [/quote] The Legacy will be quite good with comparable tires but the TT should have the advantage. [quote]how does the Legacy GT sound under heavy acceleration? [/quote] The engine noise dominates and retains some of that boxer growl at WOT. The drivetrain has a high-tech whine to it when you are tooling around town. It sounds very little like my stock or modified WRX which had much more boxer character. There is little turbo or exhaust noise. The 3.2 has a great exhaust note. [quote]How does the turbo feel on the leg once it kicks in, is it a sudden burst of acceleration or does it just flow smoothly where your unable to really notice it, also can you hear the turbo when it kicks in? [/quote] The turbo feel is almost non-existent. Just a smooth push as you accelerate. There is no turbo noise. These are two very different cars with the TT being a much more personal vehicle and the GT, especially in wagon form, having more convenience and utility (more doors, more room). But, the GT does fit your criteria. Tom
Opie Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 Bill...you've waited this long for the "right" Legacy to come to the U.S....it's here :D Go down to Mastro and go for a test drive...they are amazing in terms of everything, performance, build quality, interior feel and ergonomics, Leather is top notch, layout is superb, even the carpeting and floormats have improved to german like quality. This car is put together like no other Subaru I've owned. And all the little touches like one-touch sunroof controls, doors sounding as solid as a rock, and no wind-noise at speed (even with the sun-roof open!), it's actually quite amazing what the have done. With the Subaru you get the best of both worlds, German like engineering, Japaneese quality...all for less money. How can you loose? Will
godwhomismike Posted July 22, 2004 Author Posted July 22, 2004 I test drove the Audi TT 3.2, and it was absolutely amazing. That exhaust is the best exhaust I've ever heard. The pick up it has is very quick, and it's an extremely confortable car to drive. I drove the TT 3.2 for about 30 minutes and was absolutely blown away by it. I tested the paddle, the shift lever, the auto drive mode, and the auto sport mode. The sport mode is the best mode. When your sitting on a light and start to go, the exhaust has the most intoxicating sound. In sport mode if you stay planted on the throttle, she'll just keep going without a hint of letting up - it's a monster. One of the coolest things was the way it downshifts when your coming to a stop at a light - oh man :D. My test drive was on some regular streets and some highways, very cool. I recommend checking out the TT 3.2, even if it is just for fun. I got the insurance quotes and they're like $1600 more a year than the Leg, and the payments are almost 40% higher, so a future in a TT isn't looking very promising, but I'll hold my breath until I get the figures from Cherry Hill Imports. Now that I finally drove the TT, I have to find a Subaru dealership that has a '05 Leg GT Limited Sedan. Once I test the Leg, I'll write up my impressions on both. Btw... if anyone saw the Leg ad in the August issue of Motor Trend, it says the Leg can corner better than a TT. After driving the TT - I'm dying to drive the Leg and seeing how it compares. - Mike
coolbluelb Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 Funny, the Audi USA site actually states that the 1.8t TT is quicker 0-60 (6.3 sec) than the 3.2... Weight on the 3.2l is also high (for a small coupe) at 3351 lbs, actually heavier than the Leg's 3300. Wheelbase on the TT is 95.6", vs. the considerably longer Leg at 105.1", so I guess the Audi gets the handling nod here. Just stupid specs. I have not compared the cars so I don't really know.
godwhomismike Posted July 24, 2004 Author Posted July 24, 2004 I finally test drove the Legacy GT Limited Sedan - [url]http://www.legacysti.com/viewtopic.php?t=1669[/url] I am easily choosing the Legacy - hands down winner - price, performance, handling, and features. Read - [url]http://www.legacysti.com/viewtopic.php?t=1669[/url] to see my full write up on the GT Limited after taking a 30 minute solo test drive. - Mike
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