ClimberDHexMods Posted March 7, 2011 Author Share Posted March 7, 2011 More clutches = more surface clamping area. Which means you can hold more power I'm going to assume you misinterpreted what I wrote, as it was pretty clear. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underground000 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Prob I do that a lot... 5eat downshift rev match:) Powder coated wheels: completed:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apex-XT Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Executor485 and I spent the whole day yanking out the suspect transmission. Conveniently, my custom EWG is in the way of the installation of the replacement trans. It is very hard to remove my EWG. I blame inexperience. Good to see this is progressing. Please take lots of pics and notes! I may be following in your footsteps. 300k miles, BNR 16g, CryoTune, 'Bullet-Proofed' IC, Motor rebuild @ 250k b/c of a cracked exhaust valve. Original 5 EAT. Oil changed religiously @ 3,000 mi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Users seabass07 Posted March 8, 2011 Mega Users Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) Damn...I go away for a few weeks and this happens! I'll be watching intently! Good luck! You just gave me a weeks worth of reading! edit: the 5eat manuals are the same as the vacation pix...I got my hopes up that there was a detailed manual only on the 5eat... Edited March 8, 2011 by seabass07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) Good to see this is progressing. Please take lots of pics and notes! I may be following in your footsteps. Tips for removing 5eat before actually doing the removal: Don't have your custom EWG design sticking 1/2" into the backward pathway of the trans during removal. Remove speed sensor on driver side of trans right next to dip stick fill tube. Remove dipstick fill tube. Be careful with 4 torque converter bolts. They have a shorter head than usual, so your 12mm Craftsman socket might strip one, requiring a plyers. They are a softer metal, but are still magnetic (not aluminum). To separate the trans from the engine: we took a big crow bar (everyone should own one) and levered on the front of the front diff housing against the frame cross beam. It's almost too easy. My engine/tranny with several years of horrible Eastern corrosion split apart after a minute of prying. I was very worried prior to that discovery. For installing 5eat: Take your custom designed EWG that is in the way, throw it in the dumpster, but not before shooting it with a grenade launcher. Jack up front of engine to get the engine to tilt backward. The front of the engine flops forward when there isn't a 150lb transmission to balance it out over the two engine mounts. Keep the aforementioned speed sensor OFF until install is over and trans is bolted up. We pulled off the transmission dip stick fill tube and put it back on once the trans was bolted to the engine. The fill tube has this awful bracket that sticks out where there is no room for it, so the lining under my car is all gouged up from it. Other than that, do whatever the FSM says. It might say to remove the stuff I said to remove, but I am too pathetic to check again now that we've already done it. Pulling the turbo due to the evil EWG put us way behind schedule, so the car has another day to go still. I hate my EWG. I hate my EWG. I hate my EWG. Note to whoever buys it when I sell it: take off the EWG before you go swapping your 5eat. Since the 5mt is smaller, you probably will have more wiggle room. Edited March 8, 2011 by ClimberD@HexMods [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underpowerd Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 5-star stuff in here, outstanding, CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apex-XT Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Tips for removing 5eat before actually doing the removal: Other than that, do whatever the FSM says. It might say to remove the stuff I said to remove, but I am too pathetic to check again now that we've already done it. Good stuff ClimberD! Do you have a link to the FSM that you're using as guidance? 300k miles, BNR 16g, CryoTune, 'Bullet-Proofed' IC, Motor rebuild @ 250k b/c of a cracked exhaust valve. Original 5 EAT. Oil changed religiously @ 3,000 mi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Users seabass07 Posted March 8, 2011 Mega Users Share Posted March 8, 2011 Are you just using vacation pix and the exploded view or do you have something with actual guidance in it? My vacation pix only go as far as removing the valve body with the trans still in the car. Something with guidance for replacing 5eat internals would be a gold mine! Please share if you have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) For the FSM, I posted a link to the 2005 version in the first post of this thread, under "Vacation Pics." Just comb the later posts of the "Vacation Pics" threads on this forum, as a couple members host the 2005, 2008, and 2009 versions. If you get the proper full FSM (over 6000 pages) there are different trans sections. One section explains what and how everything re 5eat is functioning (how some of us smugly know what we know about the 5eat) One section is diagnostic / trobleshooting. One section is strictly how to remove and reinstall crap, complete with tolerances. You have to look, but it's all there. The "AT Main Case" section, for teardown and rebuild instructions, are under "5AT-94" aka 5AT chapter of the manual, page 94. You have to take a bit of a leap of faith to remove the actual clutches, since Subaru doesn't want their people doing this. They instead prefer to sell you/dealers pre-stuffed & assembled drums (which jacks up the cost and reduces the time to rebuild). That way you don't have to mess with a spring compressor tool or checking tolerances. But any good trans shop will still pull apart any drum to replace worn clutches, as it's a pretty universal process (ex: you can watch GM or Ford trans rebuild videos to learn how to use a spring compressor, remove the snap-ring(s) and get out the frictions/steels (aka the mini clutches / mini flywheels ). If you want exploded view of anything, go to http://opposedforces.com/parts. Edited March 8, 2011 by ClimberD@HexMods [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 10, 2011 Author Share Posted March 10, 2011 Car is back together again. Drove around the neighborhood. Tomorrow I reset the TCU. Unfortunately there is an up pipe leak, so boost threshold is now way off, and that needs to be fixed before tuning can resume. So the turbo will be pulled again, which is a real pain. The good news is my original 5eat is out and will soon rest in pieces. Interested to see what else is cooked besides the direct clutch. The real solution is of course to put the turbo in front of the oil pan like the 2010s, but that is for a different thread that can be found under the list of threads I've started. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brilliant sleeper Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Outstanding information you have shared with us fellow 5EAT owners. thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 10, 2011 Author Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) So basically, I talked with LieutenantColumbo's trans builder, and the specific borg warner clutches they used for his trans are a shop secret. They have clutches of all kinds in their shop, and they used ones from a completely different application for his trans. The shop doesn't sell parts, and wouldn't sell me these even if they did sell parts, but they were willing to give me a hint as to how to get borg warner clutches that will be interchangeable with the RE5R05A / 5eat. Now I have to tear apart my 5eat and somehow measure and match what I have to what Borg Warner sells for other applications, which are coincidentally compatible with he RE5R05A. At this point I have no idea if I can pull this off, but it's probably worth it to get the better clutches. Edited March 10, 2011 by ClimberD@HexMods [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbone Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 And of course IPT wouldn't tell us what they use either Kinda makes me wonder if their stuff is as good or better than BW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 10, 2011 Author Share Posted March 10, 2011 I don't see much in the way of better than borg warner. Not to say there isn't anything better, I just haven't come across it yet. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 SUCCESS!!!!! (and boy am I stupid) I called a Borg Warner parts distributor in Dallas, and they have a complete BW rebuild kit with or without steels!!! I spent too much time trying to find it on the internet in a catalog or wherever, and nothing. But 5 minutes on the phone and they have one kit of each in stock near by me! Without steels is $379.32. With steels is $424.59. Certainly blows IPT's pricing out of the water. I called ATC's Dallas location: (800) 274-2631 Parts guy's extension is x120. Direct number for the parts guy is (214) 583-9120. I asked about a performance kit just for the hell of it, and he said they have nothing like that (thinner steels being the key component). They have all that stuff for GM applications of course, but hardly never for imports. If I burn through clutches again, then I will look into having parts sent out to be machined to make more room for more friction material. But I'm optimistic that higher line pressure and a modified VB from the start will be enough to keep these from spinning and burning up. I am told that the hardest part of a trans rebuild is getting the trans out and back in the vehicle. My buddy and I have already done that, so fingers crossed something good is ahead. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 SUCCESS!!!!! (and boy am I stupid) I called a Borg Warner parts distributor in Dallas, and they have a complete BW rebuild kit with or without steels!!! I spent too much time trying to find it on the internet in a catalog or wherever, and nothing. But 5 minutes on the phone and they have one kit of each in stock near by me! Without steels is $379.32. With steels is $424.59. That is a very good lesson - not everything is on the internet Swapping in an other transmission while rebuilding this one is a great idea. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 That is a very good lesson - not everything is on the internet Swapping in an other transmission while rebuilding this one is a great idea. The only shame about it is the one we swappad in isn't a T-56, speaking of Borg Warner. Maybe one day... The good news is the temp one shouldn't depreciate much! [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 And if you can rebuild it and sell it for more Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 I'll see what I can do! [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 I'll be tossing in a front mechanical lsd while I'm there. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apex-XT Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I'll be tossing in a front mechanical lsd while I'm there. Uh oh! ClimberD's going to burn up the asphalt! On a serious note, do they make a front LSD for the 5EAT? There is a thread going on in the forum about the fLSD for the 5/6MT at the moment. But I don't see that there's a option for the AT. I believe this is OE for the JDM and there are some vendors selling as aftermarket in US. 300k miles, BNR 16g, CryoTune, 'Bullet-Proofed' IC, Motor rebuild @ 250k b/c of a cracked exhaust valve. Original 5 EAT. Oil changed religiously @ 3,000 mi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 If anything, a front torque sensing diff is going to make it harder to do burnouts. One extra wheel to keep spinning. There is no lsd of any sort for the front diff housing of the 5eat, except the prototype one that is with UPS, which I will install shortly. I am the lucky guinea pig / only person who was willing and able to do the testing. If all lights are green with my testing and feedback (including fitment confirmation) then it will go into production and will be distributed through a few vendors including Flat Irons Tuning in CO. Installation requires taking several things apart, but I will be most of the way there anyways for the rebuild, so the timing for me is perfect. But the good news is you can swap the 3.262 ring gear in the REAR LSD onto any rear R160 Subaru LSD, and be good to go (once properly setup). So that is an easier and cheaper alternative to getting a proper LSD under the car. But honestly I'm way more excited about the front LSD than upgrading the viscous rear LSD. The things people say about the car "pulling itself around corners" are very exciting, and I can't wait to feel what all the talk is about. So once done, it will be: Torque Sensing front. Electronic Clutch center. Option to either go clutch type or torque sensing rear. Remind you of something? (cough STi cough) Overkill at its finest. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadleave Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Wow awesome work man....and balls to take the 5eat apart. Does this mean, there might be a parts list, that maybe comparable or better(F-LSD) than the 4k rebuilt kit from IPT ? Seems like the transgo kits never happened. Would you be willing to at the end to a break down of cost and time ? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 ^^^ Sure, I'll try to hack something together. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apex-XT Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) My problem may be fixed!! See my post here: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/5eat-tranny-issues-shifting-slippingi-157740.html Briefly, the 'learned' parameters were lost, causing the harsh, slammy shifting. Earlier in this thread, I stated how I used freeSSM to erase the learned codes. But that didn't change anything. So I'm thinking they were already gone before that. The repair shop made the transmission re-learn (I'd like to see a procedure on that!) and now the trans is working as it did when new. Disclaimer: I've only driven the car for a day, so I'll give it another few to call it done. But, it seems to be resolved. Now, back on topic! Edited March 18, 2011 by Apex-XT 300k miles, BNR 16g, CryoTune, 'Bullet-Proofed' IC, Motor rebuild @ 250k b/c of a cracked exhaust valve. Original 5 EAT. Oil changed religiously @ 3,000 mi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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