TSiWRX Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 ^ Never! Just stay on the gas, go straight ahead, and hope for the best! <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praedet Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 And if you need to stop or turn, spin the car and thrust vector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 ^ OK, not all of us have access to top-secret USAF parts, to retrofit to our LGTs. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praedet Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 No, just spin it around backwards and hit the gas and you stop. That is the same as accelerating in a straight line, right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 But how am I to spin, if I can't turn?!!! <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share Posted October 4, 2010 ^ +1. And to also go to perhaps a ten-point or otherwise decimal scale. ........ And Tirerack needs to get rid of their difficult to interpret, and misleadingly named "percent vs reference" rating system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I'll sign that petition, too. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 The 2010 NAF results are available: http://www.naf.no/Forbrukertester/Dekk/Dekktester/Vinterdekktest-2010/ "For the first time we've done a test where we get an indication of how the properties of the studded tires and studded tires evolves as it wears. And the results are startling." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 ^ I knew I stayed up for something! I'll add my own ninja-edit here, too. "Startling" is putting it mildly. You might want to see this, bruddah: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/study-studded-winter-tires-decreases-death-risk-42-winter-roads-145643.html ^ Yeah, I know, I missed it, too, until just today, when I was searching for something else and used the word "studded" as a search string. --- Looks like I bought a mid-performing tire, for a mid-performing tire price! Nothing surprising, there. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 Interesting stuff in this NAF test. I wish they told us the manufacturer/model for the 4 sets of used tires they tested. All of different ages: 2,4,9,10 years old. Talk about comparing apples to oranges! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 ^ Yes - they even admitted to not being able to quite control things, in that respect. I wonder if these testing authorities have started to accumulate the tires they used for testing, so that they could "age" them in a controlled manner, for years-down-the-line data. It's certainly enlightening. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 ............Looks like I bought a mid-performing tire, for a mid-performing tire price! Nothing surprising, there. It tied for second place, in noise generation. Get some nice earplugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 ^ Actually, I was counting on that. You haven't been in my car, while Anna is singing. Remember that scene from Goldeneye, when Bond asks his informant "Who's strangling the cat?" Yeah, that's about Anna's current singing voice. And like every American Idol entrant, she thinks she sounds GREAT. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 In the 2009 NAF test the X-Ice Xi2 came in 1st overall, for friction tires. This year it came in 4th overall. Continental and NokianR have improved over last years performance, to edge out the Xi2. I bet there will be a X-Ice Xi3 on the market for the 2011/2012 winter season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 ^ I would imagine so. They're always trying to one-up each other. All the better, for us consumers! <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted October 13, 2010 Author Share Posted October 13, 2010 Another winter test from Auto Bild, of 15 inchers, summarized here: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2010-Auto-Bild-Winter-Tyre-Test.htm "Auto Bild are known for their excellent tyre tests, so when they take 14 winter tyres, 1 summer tyre and 13 different tests you know you’re in for a good write up!" The original article from Auto Bild is not available as a free download. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 ^ I couldn't spot it right off - what speed-rating are these 15-inchers? <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted October 13, 2010 Author Share Posted October 13, 2010 ^ I couldn't spot it right off - what speed-rating are these 15-inchers? Beats me! It will cost 1 Euro to find out. http://www.autobild.de/heftarchiv/heftartikel_1264805.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 How the heck do I get one Euro, without my bank flagging my account for fraud! ^ Just kidding - but I dunno, what do you think? safe? <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Autoreview.RU is my favorite reading BTW, keep in mind that most studded tires on the Russian market come with studs from the factory. There's no such thing as "studdable" tire - it was quite a shock for me to see those in Canadian stores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 Here are some more Scandinavian test results, for: Dayton DW 510 Gislaved Soft Frost3 Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice+ Kumho Ice Power KW-21 Maxxis Presa Ice Nankang Snow Viva SV-1 Nordman RS Nokian Hakkapeliitta R Nokian Hakkapeliitta 7 http://www.vibilagare.se/test/dack/dacktest-2010-odubbade-vinterdack-27778 And here is the more extended version of this test, in pdf: http://www.vibilagare.se/sites/default/files/vibilagare/documents/vib_dacktest_2010_odubbade_vinterdack.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 How the heck do I get one Euro, without my bank flagging my account for fraud! ^ Just kidding - but I dunno, what do you think? safe? It is probably just as safe as visiting those Russian sites. The KGB knows your browsing history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Here are some more Scandinavian test results, for: Dayton DW 510 Gislaved Soft Frost3 Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice+ Kumho Ice Power KW-21 Maxxis Presa Ice Nankang Snow Viva SV-1 Nordman RS Nokian Hakkapeliitta R Nokian Hakkapeliitta 7 http://www.vibilagare.se/test/dack/dacktest-2010-odubbade-vinterdack-27778 And here is the more extended version of this test, in pdf: http://www.vibilagare.se/sites/default/files/vibilagare/documents/vib_dacktest_2010_odubbade_vinterdack.pdf ^ It's very interesting how their test, at least in the text (I'm having trouble bringing up the .pdf) harks back to: Mostly I am interested in how temperature affects ice traction for studded and non- studded tires. In a 2002 report from the Washington DOT, it was asserted that: "Studded tires produce their best traction on snow or ice near the freezing mark and lose proportionately more of their tractive ability at lower temperatures than do studless or all-season tires." "The precise environmental conditions under which studded tires provide a traction benefit are relatively rare. The maximum frictional gain (in comparison to non-studded (not studless) tires) is found for new studded tires on smooth ice, where they have been shown to provide up to 100 percent gain in certain tests. However, the relative frictional gain of studded tires diminishes or becomes negative on roughened ice, as the temperature drops, as the studs wear, or if the comparison is made with studless tires." "Studs are most effective on ice at or near 32 degrees F (0 degrees C) and lose their efficacy as temperatures drop and the ice becomes too hard for the studs to grip or when temperatures rise and ice melts to slush or wet pavement." The above assertions are based on testing done in 1995 and earlier, by various organizations. ----- Autoreview.RU is my favorite reading ^ Are you a native speaker? BTW, keep in mind that most studded tires on the Russian market come with studs from the factory. There's no such thing as "studdable" tire - it was quite a shock for me to see those in Canadian stores.^ Yep. But thank you for pointing that out! It's a subtle difference that the faster/more careless reader (who, me? no!? ) may not necessarily catch. ---- It is probably just as safe as visiting those Russian sites.http://legacygt.com/forums/../images/smilies/lol.gif The KGB knows your browsing history.http://legacygt.com/forums/../images/smilies/wink.gifhttp://legacygt.com/forums/../images/smilies/lol.gif All your base are belong to us! You joke, but I've had bad luck with overseas porn! I jest, I joke. Or am I really joking? Cue: "The Internet is for Porn" [ Aside: one of our greatest parenting FAILs is listening to that song, with Anna, while we were road-tripping. Luckily, Anna didn't understand the word "porn," so she happily substituted in the word "four" every time Cookie Monster said "porn." ] <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 ^ It's very interesting how their test, at least in the text (I'm having trouble bringing up the .pdf) harks back to............... Yes, the temperature effect is something I wish the testers would investigate more. "But on the other hand, friction tires under certain conditions grip better on ice than studded tires. On the dry ice in sub-zero temperatures may have a soft rubber type gluing effect. We have experienced it several times in our tests. But this super-grip was only during a certain number of laps on a track. Since the ice is suddenly blixthal again." I have no clue what "blixthal" means. And neither does Mr. Google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 ^ "More slippery?" I don't care what it means, I'm gonna start using that word from now on. "Yes, I'd like two orders of Chicken McNuggets, with blixthal sauce, please." <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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