Penguin Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 That is my biggest complaint with BMW of late, the base on the cars is just too damn high much less with any options. If it was $41K for a loaded up 335i or 335d then it would be a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsnoops Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 ya its ridiculous..indeed that's the problem with BMW...my friends 335xi was up at 50K a bit more if im not mistaken. i mean this is the base model were talking about and they don't even give you standard features that most luxury cars have like heated seats. i personally would go with the lexus IS AWD although it lacks power, it certainly a better looking car inside and out with all the features at about 38-40K. that reminds me the IS F is amazing lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 The fact that it takes $50K to obtain a loaded 3 series is ridiculous and kind of sad. I was not and am not a huge fan of the IS, I sold several of them but did not find them to be as good a drive as the 3 series. To top it off the back seat headroom is non existent, and front seat headroom isn't much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsnoops Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 very true its impossible to get 3 adults in the back ..comfortably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 In for more Penguin reviews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansGT Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 The clutch in these things puts the Subaru ones to shame. What's funny is our Subaru GT's come with a German clutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Is it a different clutch in the GT:s than in the standard MT Subarus? I haven't disassembled mine so I can't tell. And I'm not going to do it for fun either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansGT Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 ^ its a Sachs at least thats what was imprinted on mine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_Sachs Hauptverwaltung und Zentrale Forschung und Entwicklung 88038 Friedrichshafen Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 The fact that it takes $50K to obtain a loaded 3 series is ridiculous and kind of sad. I was not and am not a huge fan of the IS, I sold several of them but did not find them to be as good a drive as the 3 series. To top it off the back seat headroom is non existent, and front seat headroom isn't much better. I think the 2.5L in the IS is lacking. So is the 6MT and the AWD variant is like driving with a cow on the roof, weighing you down. It amazes me that the IS 250 can be so slow compared to a 3 series or even the TSX putting out similar power numbers. It is fuel efficient, which is great, but I can't understand why Lexus continues to only offer AWD on the 2.5L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansGT Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 ^ I can't believe this thread has come back after 3+ years. Any more on the 330i? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 In for more Penguin reviews Sorry my friend but you'll probably have to search for them. The cars are no longer fresh in my mind. It's been a little over two years since I left the car business, so some of the models I was familiar with have changed. So unless you want user impressions of SD70ACe's and ES44AC's I won't be much help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsnoops Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I think the 2.5L in the IS is lacking. So is the 6MT and the AWD variant is like driving with a cow on the roof, weighing you down. It amazes me that the IS 250 can be so slow compared to a 3 series or even the TSX putting out similar power numbers. It is fuel efficient, which is great, but I can't understand why Lexus continues to only offer AWD on the 2.5L. very true. the IS needs to offer more power for the 250 AWD. but definitely a plus for its exterior compared to the TSX and 3 series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobE Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 See I actually like the uncluttered simple interiors in BMW's, but that is me. The gauge illumination is just fine with me as red or orange will give you less eye strain, and have little to no effect on your night adapted vision unlike other colors of light. http://newenglandsubarus.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twisted Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 For better or worse BMW like Audi and M-B has adopted a coherent exterior and interior design theme all across the model line. Similar shapes, layouts, materials etc etc. The goal is to maintain high quality and perceived luxury in the lower end cars, but also serves to let anyone who is even a little familiar with the brand to instantly know they are in a BMW just by the interior. PERCEIVED is such a marketing term . BMW is not about innovation and evolution on their bland interiors. In fact the top of the line Camry's interior is much more exciting than that on a bimmer. 45-50K for a lousy interior is unacceptable. Granted their exteriors are nice and so is the powe rtrain handling blah blah blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsnoops Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 PERCEIVED is such a marketing term . BMW is not about innovation and evolution on their bland interiors. In fact the top of the line Camry's interior is much more exciting than that on a bimmer. 45-50K for a lousy interior is unacceptable. Granted their exteriors are nice and so is the powe rtrain handling blah blah blah. definitely agree! and yes i must agree the new powder blue interior in the Camry is beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobE Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 powder blue?!?!?! :Puke: http://newenglandsubarus.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsnoops Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 its better than dull orange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueWhiteBoy Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Anything other than green or yellowish orange makes me happy. Yeah, I think we've passed that gap where luxury and standard cars have started catching up again, at least in terms of interior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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