Guest *Jedimaster* Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Yes, actually. The chassis is an econobox, but what qualifies it as a POS? Welll...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Monkey Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I'd rather drive a Mini Cooper anyday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliss Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Welll...... But that still doesn't show me why it's feces...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Stock non-ACR SRT-4 from Motortrend: braking, 60-0mph: 118' Lateral acceleration: 0.88g's MT figure-eight: 25.9@0.69g STi Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 113 200-ft skidpad, avg g 0.90 MT fig-eight, sec @ avg g 26.07 @ 0.70 SRT-4 seems decent on paper versus the STi, nevermind the WRX or LGT. "You're confusing this with the ACR Neon of the old....the new one ain't so hot..." NEW SRT-4 with factory ACR package: $1200 gets you: Tokico Illumina shocks with spring perch lowered by about 1/2", 19mm rear swaybar, 16x7 BBS RX wheels, 225/45-16 BFG KDW2 tires, stiffer rear tension strut bushings, seat harness slots for a 4/5 point belt... Hmm... Looks like the SRT-4 w/ACR package may give the STi some serious trouble in the corners... -B -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 I have driven an SRT-4, I am not impressed; especially not for $36,000. While very fast in a strait line and capable of high levels of grip and very good stopping distances, the test numbers are not the whole story. There is more to a car's handling than skidpad numbers and figure eights. Keep in mind these are measured up until the car breaks loose and starts to skid, once this happens the AWD car or RWD has a distinct advantage over a FWD car just about every time. A car that is not RWD or AWD is much easier to control once traction is broken and the vehicle starts to slide, say through a corner since it does not understeer and instead oversteers. Oversteer can be adjusted for with opposite lock, understeer just lets you a.) put on brakes to slow down (bye bye AWD or RWD car you are racing) or b.) Go into ditch. If FWD drive was as good then we would see all sorts of racing applications for it, please no annecdotal evidence about how you got your SCCA blah blah blah FWD to do such and such. Show me a FWD rally car, or endurance racer, or F1 car. As a side note the car I drove came in on trade with 21,000 miles on the clock and was as rough as a corn cob. Lots of squeaks rattles, and odd groaning from the body. A real turd, but a fast turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 FWD RALLY CAR, SRT-4 STYLE: http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0212scc_rallying/ Another strong Group 5 car available next year is the Dodge SRT-4. A rally car was one of the development mules for this turbocharged monster, and it should prove very competitive and relatively easy to prepare. A completely stock SRT-4 engine already makes more than enough power, leaving only chassis prep and a limited slip to make it a rally car. http://sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0212scc_projrally_14_zoom.jpg http://www.allpar.com/neon/scca.html We just started in Rally this year (2002), and to date, the Dodge SRT-4 has won two events on the SCCA circuit and is leading the Manufacturing Championship. SCCA Pro Rally SRT-4 - Group 5 Class Sno-Drift 3rd Cherokee Trails 1st Oregon Trail 2nd Rim of the World 1st http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/sedans/0505_dodge_neon_srt4_stage3/index1.html "And what would a muscle car be without a distinctive exhaust note? The Stage 3 SRT4 gurgles deeply and pops with pent-up back pressure on throttle liftoff--just like a professional rally car. In fact, Mopar-sponsored Stage 3 SRT4s have been campaigned successfully in SCCA ProRally events, winning two-wheel-drive championships and turning in overall times not far behind those of all-wheel-drive opponents." -B -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Okay so what, by the site you have listed they admit that having only two wheel drive is quite a limitation. When was the last time a WRC season was won by a FWD only car? I know that there are many classes available for different cars, I do not care. What I am getting at is absolute victory. Not class wins, overall wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Winning the nitro-burning turd class in any racing event, while fun and encouraging to motorsports, is still just a half-ass excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panamajack Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 SRT-4 haters are 510W3R!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firedawgs Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 My wifes last car was a Chrysler Sebring. It was in for service for the same thing 12 times in 3 years. Yes, a total lemon. I would not drive a chrysler product if it was given to me. Let go down the list: One of the worst resale cars out there Cartest is terrible It is a Neon your talking about How does a car have price from $14k to $36K??? Updated my vBGarage: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firedawgs Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Ok, I just did a build & Price on www-5.dodge.com on a SRT-4. With all the options including destination charges the price was $24,325. So if it was true that a dealer was selling for $36k than that is dealer mark-up. Some states it is illegal. I would never buy from a dealer that does this; and they should all be hung. Updated my vBGarage: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTM 525 Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 I think the dealer installed sticker package may bump the price up...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 I hope I did not offend Beanboy, looking back on my posts I was being kind of an a__ hole. I just do not see the allure of the SRT-4, if I was to go out and acquire a Renault Le Car and put a hot engine in it, some grippy tires, and some big brakes; it would still not change the fact that it was a piece of French dog crap. The car would still fall apart, like a Neon will, but would jettison it's parts at higher velocity than a standard car. Come to think of it $36K can get you an STI, and quite a few serious go fast parts. $36K for an SRT-4, if anyone would like it I have some human fertilizer for sale just $30 per 8 ounce bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o- c-uTe Posted April 29, 2005 Author Share Posted April 29, 2005 Here is the sticker picture. They are just asking for that much, but you can work the numbers out. Thats what the dealer said. the $36,000 one sold they said. I ask for that much, they said no and they didn't want to tell me how much. HERE is where they are located and their phone:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o- c-uTe Posted April 29, 2005 Author Share Posted April 29, 2005 By the way, the wheels they put on there were some ugly chrome wheels. The stock wheels looked 100 times better. I should of taken a pic of it, oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Sigh... Yes, the SRT-4 isn't worth 36K. Hell, I hope nobody paid that much, and you certainly don't have to. Sounds like a Legacy GTX situation to me. A poor imitation at that! Now water bird my little aquatic friend... You asked to see a rally FWD car, and I showed you an SRT-4 that dominated the class and came close to the AWD cars in a different class. Now we are talking about overall wins? How about this. The SRT-4 with ACR package from the factory for under 23K will put a major hurt on any Subaru factory car sans STi on any road course in America. And I don't want to hear any comments about, "well, in a snowstorm" either, hehe. No classes, just an overall win. Do you agree? -B PS And no, "But Subaru puts little plastic tires stock on the WRX/LGT!" either! -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfxdave99 Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 :lol: I just went online and found over 50 srt-4's selling at sticker around my area :lol: If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. - Mario Andretti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitestar Pilot Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Here is the sticker picture. They are just asking for that much, but you can work the numbers out. Thats what the dealer said. the $36,000 one sold they said. I ask for that much, they said no and they didn't want to tell me how much. HERE is where they are located and their phone:D So this is in California, right? Cars are generally higher priced in that area. Going over $30K does seem pretty crazy, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Monkey Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Stock non-ACR SRT-4 from Motortrend: braking, 60-0mph: 118' Lateral acceleration: 0.88g's MT figure-eight: 25.9@0.69g STi Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 113 200-ft skidpad, avg g 0.90 MT fig-eight, sec @ avg g 26.07 @ 0.70 SRT-4 seems decent on paper versus the STi, nevermind the WRX or LGT. "You're confusing this with the ACR Neon of the old....the new one ain't so hot..." NEW SRT-4 with factory ACR package: $1200 gets you: Tokico Illumina shocks with spring perch lowered by about 1/2", 19mm rear swaybar, 16x7 BBS RX wheels, 225/45-16 BFG KDW2 tires, stiffer rear tension strut bushings, seat harness slots for a 4/5 point belt... Hmm... Looks like the SRT-4 w/ACR package may give the STi some serious trouble in the corners... -B The STi is setup quite well from the factory, but not perfect either....add some springs (pink) and you are set. I wouldn't compare the two though....the STi is ina different class.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted April 30, 2005 Share Posted April 30, 2005 How are two hotted up 4-door econoboxes in different classes? One has AWD, good engineering, and is a generally great performance car, despite it's humble origins. The other may be fast despite it's origins, but otherwise the original plays out. I am not a fan of the SRT-4. Personally I think it is ugly, and no matter how fast it is, build quality is build quality. Chrysler has not been a paragon of quality in a long, long time. My mom's 90 LeBaron GTC Variable Nozzle Turbo is in much much worse shape than my dad's 91 Mercury Capri Convertible. And my dad is meticulous at maintaining them both. (I have been wanting to put a 323 GTX Turbo AWD drivetrain under that capri for a long time... talk about a fun car...) I don't think the Impreza line is a particular looker, either, but the engineering is stout to say the least, and when Magazine headlines read "The WRX We Couldn't Break" it says something. I agree that they are quite distinct from each other, but defined by their platforms as 4 door economy cars that have been factory tuned, the SRT-4 and WRX STi are not neccessarily apple's versus oranges. Maybe apples versus over-ripe apples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted April 30, 2005 Share Posted April 30, 2005 At the end of the day, chickulets still are gonna think the Neon is cuter than the STi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt_ltd Posted April 30, 2005 Share Posted April 30, 2005 At the end of the day, chickulets still are gonna think the Neon is cuter than the STi. +1 This Space For Rent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin Posted April 30, 2005 Share Posted April 30, 2005 Here is the sticker picture. They are just asking for that much, but you can work the numbers out. Thats what the dealer said. the $36,000 one sold they said. I ask for that much, they said no and they didn't want to tell me how much. HERE is where they are located and their phone:D +1 Go geta WRX STI for 35,000 Way better car. Anyone who would spend 36k on a SRT4 is nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitestar Pilot Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 How are two hotted up 4-door econoboxes in different classes? One has AWD, good engineering, and is a generally great performance car, despite it's humble origins. The other may be fast despite it's origins, but otherwise the original plays out. Not so fast. A quick check of Kelley Blue Book online reveals the base price of a 2005 Neon as: Invoice: $13,422.00 Retail: $14,295.00 But the base Impreza (which is still awd) as: $17,437.00 $18,670.00 To be perfectly blunt, the neon is a trailer park car. The Impreza is not. -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliss Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 To be perfectly blunt, the neon is a trailer park car. The Impreza is not. On what grounds? Simply because it doesn't meet some phantom minimum MSRP-o-coolness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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