BadAndy Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Its an M12, which I'm pretty sure takes a 19mm socket. I used a 14mm socket to tighten mine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhecubus42 Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 There two different bolts that I know of: P/N 901000242 of which there are 4 (two on each side) and P/N 901000264 of which there are two. I haven't seen them myself but subaruparts.com has them both listed as M12, but neither the parts list nor the service manual actually say. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 I have a Cusco front brace on the way. Does this replace the stock H-brace? If so, I will wait to fool with anything since I will be doing for the install anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Man, I wanna leave work now and get under my car... -B -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAndy Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 There two different bolts that I know of: P/N 901000242 of which there are 4 (two on each side) and P/N 901000264 of which there are two. I haven't seen them myself but subaruparts.com has them both listed as M12, but neither the parts list nor the service manual actually say. :-) Where do those bolts go?? The bolts I was talking about (12mm) are the ones that hold the brace up, there are 10 of them and all are the same size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhecubus42 Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 There are four bolts in the crossmember, plus two that seem to go through the control arms which probably shouldn't be messed with. Those were the ones I was talking about. The crossmember support has 10 bolts, like you said. I'm just assuming they're the same size as the crossmember bolts but they are not identified in either the 2005 parts list or the service manual. I'm not sure whether the dealership guys torqued the crossmember bolts or the crossmember support bolts (and I'm confusing myself as I type this :-)). If you've got the time, hell do them all. :-) The 10 crossmember support bolts get torqued to 44.3 ft*lbs. and the 4 in the crossmember itself look like they get 70.1 ft*lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Well, the crossmember bolts are okay. But, I am NOT happy at all: http://www.stinkyteapot.com/missingbolt.jpg anybody know what those side bolts are for? Hoping maybe, just maybe, it is something for automatic models? Don't like seeing those threads... -B -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver72 Posted May 21, 2005 Author Share Posted May 21, 2005 You mean the threads on the left (the hole) which looks like a bolt should be filling?? I'm with you, that would make me nervous. I gotta check mine this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Just hand tighten them, should be close to the torque spec though (44 ft lbs).From the factory subaru tends to treat the torque specs as absolute minimums anyway. Not really possible to warp that, so just crank it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy05 Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 I'll be checking mine out bright and early tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 You mean the threads on the left (the hole) which looks like a bolt should be filling?? FWIW, I seem to recall seeing that and being concerned too, last time I was under the car. Probably normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Man, no dealers do real work on Saturday... Off with a printout of the pic to the local dealer, at least find out from the parts department what the bolt may be for and pick one up if it is supposed to be there. Grrrr... -B -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melayout Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Beanboy, where is that thread located exactly, can you give a description or walk-through, I'll just slide my digital camera under my car and take a video of the what's below and then we can see if it is normal or not. Btw, I've got a 5EAT GT Sedan. Mojo I keed I keeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 The two bolts in the middle are two of the crossmember bolts, the orginal reason I went under the car. If you look at the middle of the back edge of the plastic undercarriage tray where it attaches to to the car via the two tabs and bolt, you'll see the area. In this picture, http://kentuckyproductsco.com/Pics/Legacy-GT-fix.gif, the two middle bolts in the pic are the two closer together ones in the center back. I had the car lifted and the tray off when I took the pic, but if you angle in from the side right in front of the tire, you'll be able to see the area without lifting the car or taking off the tray, especially if you get a camera in there. Appreciate it, thanks! -B -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melayout Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Yeah I've got that open thread and the other side has both threads bolted, so it looks like that is normal and you shouldn't worry about it. Mojo I keed I keeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy05 Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Okay, so this morning I checked the bolts on the h-brace. I started on the passenger side, they were pretty tight, but I tightened them down some more. When I got to the left side, the source of the noise, two of the bolts were not as tight as the right side. It was actually easy to turn with my socket wrench. So I tightened those up and everything else. I took a quick spin around my neighborhood and such, I have not been able to get the noise to come about. So I am pretty sure this solves it. So I will call the dealership this morning to fill them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Ayup, ran up to the dealer and poked my head under a car on the lot, got some odd looks from a salesperson who came out to say hello, hehe. Confirmed that bolt hole is empty. Thanks for the pics and checking melayout! Owe you a beer. Appreciate it, and shows how damn awesome this board is for owners. -B -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterdish Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 +1 Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver72 Posted May 21, 2005 Author Share Posted May 21, 2005 It is most definitely the crossmember. I also just jacked up my car and tightened the 10 (14mm) bolts. 4-5 of them were about 1/2 turn loose, and a couple were 1/4 turn loose. There was only 2-3 that were fully tightened. You don't need to remove the splash guard to get to them. You only need to remove the 1 bolt on the splash guard in order to get to 2 of the crossmember bolts. I then tested my car on a big speed bump in my area that I ALWAYS got the creaking/popping sound on. It was NO MORE...Thank God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbolen Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Guys, Check out the picture. Wile waiting for my caliper paint to dry this weekend, I started looking around underneath and found that the front sway bar busings to frame looked like this. What in the world would cause them to die like this? Car has about 3500 miles on it(5mt). I suspect that this is what is causing my clunk. Any one else have bushings that look like this? I'll be calling my dealer monday morning on this! Cheers, dave Drive softly and carry big torque! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Did check mine out yesterday, noticed how it looked like they were taking some wear and tear, but they aren't missing chunks like yours... http://stinkyteapot.com/rollbar.jpg -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver72 Posted May 22, 2005 Author Share Posted May 22, 2005 Guys, Check out the picture. Wile waiting for my caliper paint to dry this weekend, I started looking around underneath and found that the front sway bar busings to frame looked like this. What in the world would cause them to die like this? Car has about 3500 miles on it(5mt). I suspect that this is what is causing my clunk. Any one else have bushings that look like this? I'll be calling my dealer monday morning on this! Cheers, dave MAybe it's because it looks like you ran over something and damaged the undercarriage of your car. What are you doing, bottoming out the car to get huge scratches on the undercarriage like that. More than likely whatever it is you hit, ran over, bottomed out on or whatever that caused those large scratches also hit the sway bar and smashed the bushings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Huge scratches? I don't see them in dbolen's picture... Called living in a place that has salt on the roads in winter time, hehe. I had a pile of sand and salt stains in the undercarriage tray, and bolts are rusted: http://www.stinkyteapot.com/oilfilter.jpg http://www.stinkyteapot.com/tray.jpg -B -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver72 Posted May 22, 2005 Author Share Posted May 22, 2005 Look at his undercarriage cover, it has large abrasions on it. Also, near the center lower part of the picture, on the "H" brace, right at the curve, there appears to be a several inch scratch. The black colored brace is scratched white or chrome in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Err, I think that is dirt/salt build-up. Could be wrong I guess. Anyway, back on topic... Still going to bring the car in, just a PITA to do so during the week with work. On the subject of creaking, anybody get rear spring creaks when the rear suspension gets unloaded on a bump? -B -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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