03Indigo Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 I just took delivery of a beautiful set of Cusco Zero 2 coilovers for my Outback XT...BP platform. The instructions that came with the set are all in japanese, and silly me, I skipped all those classes while in college, haha so, I was wondering if anyone has a source or link to instructions for spring pre-load, ride height adjustment, and stuff like that. I know how to adjust the dampening, that is easy, but the other adjustments on these coilovers are a bit different than the ones I am used to..ie, Koni and KW. Any help would be appreciated, advice, write up, link to a how to. I have searched this site, google, and just about everything else I can think of, but would just like to see some explanations of all the features in english. If anyone knows anyone in the Denver metro area that can translate the instructions for me, that would also be cool...would be willing to pay in food and drinks for translation services cheers jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 well, I dont know about what are maximum and minimums for ride height, but there should be a diagram for it. As for spring preload, you dont need much or any if you are just daily driving the car, it should be set at zero (when the spring perch is sitting with the spring at zero tension). If you want some preload, you will have to double check with the number of turns vs. distance for the spring perch to determine how much preload you want... what are your spring rates? Keefe Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03Indigo Posted April 15, 2005 Author Share Posted April 15, 2005 ok, from the diagrams I can see, and matching up characters, it looks like the front range is 170-210mm and the rear is 140-175mm. Not sure if that is drop or range of the coil over. As for spring rates...I beileve they are the same front and rear. I have read that they are 8.0kg-m....it lists that number in the instructions for the wagon, but I also see something else that says 4.0kg-m, but I have no idea as to what that reference is to. From the best I can tell, the springs front and rear are the same, same thickness, same number of coils, same diameter....but as we all know, that has nothing to do with spring rates...as the material can be different. I am wondering if pre-loading the spring will provide further ride height, or if it will just stiffen the ride. I have the coil section, also adjustable, all the way out, and the pearch tightened about 6mm from where they came from Cusco. There was no spring play at all, like you typically find in coilovers, ie, koni or KW....the springs were already loaded and there was no movement. I guess it will all come down to putting them on the car....my hope, that they are not too low compared to the OEM OBXT struts. I know I am going donw about 2-3 inches, which is what I want, but I don't want the ride so stiff that they are useless for me. My guess, I will have the dampening at the softest setting to help with that, but maybe there is too much spring load. Getting them on the car, and seeing how it will sit will determine how much I can release the pre-load...is my guess. Well, as I find out more, I will keep everyone informed. hopefully I can find some translation to the instructions to figure out the fine details. cheers jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03Indigo Posted April 15, 2005 Author Share Posted April 15, 2005 just for laughs, here is the starter of what is going on the XT....still waiting for Perrin front and rear bars to get here on monday, then those are off to the powder coater for blue matching paint, and also Monday my 18" Tarmac II's will be here with the new Direzza DZ101 in 245-45-18...just need to get them mounted and all this stuff installed. At least I have plenty of time off each week and a second car!!!! http://www.rmcb5.com/albums/album73/IMG_0719.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt_ltd Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 If anyone knows anyone in the Denver metro area that can translate the instructions for me, that would also be cool...would be willing to pay in food and drinks for translation services can you scan the instructions? some of the members here can read japanese... This Space For Rent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03Indigo Posted April 15, 2005 Author Share Posted April 15, 2005 I have a high res shot of them, VERY readable, so if someone is interested, I can email it to them, but to post it on a photo server takes a lot of space, and I don't want to link something like that, bandwidth and all. so, if anyone out there can lend a hand, PM me your email, or an email where I can send the picture, and maybe you can help me out!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt_ltd Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I emailed your questions to a few companies that carry Cusco's stuff... and got this: Hello, You preload the spring just a bit so that it is not loose. Make it tight and turn it one full turn. Then, you adjust the ride height to whatever you want it to be by turning the shock body. Make sure not to bottom out on the CV boot on the bottom. Pretty simple. Let me know if you have any further questions, - Alex - BOZZ Performance if you have more question you can call them directly, phone number is listed at http://www.bozzperformance.com/ do i get a beer for this? This Space For Rent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03Indigo Posted April 19, 2005 Author Share Posted April 19, 2005 awesome, but the problem....I need specs for height and limits... What he said is pretty much what I figured out by looking at them. I will still give you a beer for that one though...install time is scheduled for next week, so maybe you can stop by...I will be posting stuff up in the local forum, so keep your eyes open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt_ltd Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 i'd call the authorized dealers... sorry cannot join you next week, have two presentations and other stuff... but do take some pics. i was just kidding about the beer... This Space For Rent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03Indigo Posted April 19, 2005 Author Share Posted April 19, 2005 I am chatting with Bernie at http://www.RalliTek.com, awesome guy, he speaks japanese, and will try to translate the simple things for me. I sent him a picture of the insturctions, so hopefully soon he will have something for me. From what I can tell so far, the car will most likely drop between 2.5"-4", since they are going on an outback, but that is all untested. Next week will be the proof. I am dropping the sways off at Denver Bumper today for powder coating to match the blue...and when they get back, the car will be on stands for a while next week as I will also be detailing the car, etc. no worries for the beer, you are still welcome to one any time. cheers jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03Indigo Posted April 19, 2005 Author Share Posted April 19, 2005 oh yeah, and here is the picture with all the stuff, you can see why the sways need to be painted...they just don't match, and we all know how important it is for the under side of the car to all be in the same color theme, http://www.rmcb5.com/albums/album73/IMG_0736.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Don't sweat it too much. SnoDork has the same coilovers, and he installed them just as they came out of the box, and the ride height was perfect for him (about .75" drop) and the car even corner weighted perfectly with the Cusco's right off the bat. Really, it's not rocket science. Just double check that you have zero, to a tiny bit of preload, drop 'em in and adjust the ride height by raising or lowering the shock body in the mounts. Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 +1 Keefe Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoDork Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 hey there...just in case you wanted to see the drop on a legacy wagon with NO adjustments... here you go! http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9857&highlight=cusco+zero-2 and then with 18's & 245/35/18's http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11074&highlight=prodrive+pff-7s literally, took them out the box, dropped them in and done! ~Sucka-Duck~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03Indigo Posted April 19, 2005 Author Share Posted April 19, 2005 sweet guys...that helps A LOT!!! I am putting these on an Outback though, so I am sure I will need to admust them up a bit, because I do not want the car slammed too far. I am looking for over a 2" drop, so out of the box, that is where it should be. but knowing that they did not settle in too much makes a big difference, as well as knowing about the spring pre-load. I can not wait for the time next week to get them installed!!! again, thanks to everyone for the advice and info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03Indigo Posted April 19, 2005 Author Share Posted April 19, 2005 hey there...just in case you wanted to see the drop on a legacy wagon with NO adjustments... here you go! http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9857&highlight=cusco+zero-2 and then with 18's & 245/35/18's http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11074&highlight=prodrive+pff-7s literally, took them out the box, dropped them in and done! SnoDork...your pics are VERY helpful, and your wagon looks awesome, very well done, and love the prodrives you have on there. I went with Rota Tarmac II in 18", but have a 245-45-18 tire to match the OEM diameter on the outback. Still, your wagon is awesome!!! Thanks for chiming in and sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoDork Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 no worries...be sure to post Pic's of your ride!! ~Sucka-Duck~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03Indigo Posted April 20, 2005 Author Share Posted April 20, 2005 here are a few shots from today, had a little rain/hail storm this afternoon here in the Denver area, no damage, but great moisture. These shots are for the "before the suspension", and next week, there will be after suspension. You can also get a great idea of the wheels and the fatty tires I got....I LOVE them, looks soooo hot. Well, I guess that is subjective, to each their own, but for me, I could not be happier. now on to pics http://www.rmcb5.com/albums/album73/IMG_0764.jpg http://www.rmcb5.com/albums/album73/IMG_0800.jpg http://www.rmcb5.com/albums/album73/IMG_0802.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03Indigo Posted April 20, 2005 Author Share Posted April 20, 2005 Snodork....what level did you set your dampening? Range from 1-5. They came with a setting of 3 front and rear, just wondering how you set it up and how it feels. Did you notice push or any over rotation in corners? I am wondering if a setting of 2 front and rear would be adequate...I guess I can always adjust them, but looking for imput from you since you have already driven on them for a bit. cheers jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoDork Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 i changed the front to 2 and kept the rear at 3. it rides quite nice, i commute mostly on the freeway to work but on the surface streets its nice. when i had my stock rims and tires it was very very comfortable. when i switched to my prodrives w/ 35 series tires it got a bit firmer, but in no way bone jaring... ~Sucka-Duck~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03Indigo Posted April 20, 2005 Author Share Posted April 20, 2005 SnoDork...PERFECT feed back, just what I was looking for. I am gonna set mine up the same way, except I have one major benefit....I am running much bigger tires, 245-45-18, so I have a bit of protection there, and a little more sidewall give. I will start at the 2 front 3 rear and go from there. cheers jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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