The B4 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Honda has been #1 for 6 years. http://www.sys-con.com/node/1206821 ALG, a subsidiary of DealerTrack Holdings, Inc. (Nasdaq: TRAK) and the industry benchmark for residual values and depreciation data, today announced its 11th annual Residual Value Awards, honoring the vehicles in each segment that are predicted to retain the highest percentage of their original price after a conventional three-year period. This year’s awards are based on 2010 model year vehicles. For the eighth year, ALG has also included awards for the brands with the highest overall predicted resale values among all mainstream and all luxury vehicles. The awards are derived after careful study of segment competition, historical vehicle performance and industry trends. The list of winners can be found on www.alg.com. Subaru of America has won the Mainstream Brand Residual Value Award for the first time, jumping over perennially strong Honda. Subaru also received individual segment awards for the Forester in the Compact Utility Vehicle category and the Outback in the Midsize Utility Vehicle category. “Subaru combines distinct product attributes, such as standard all-wheel drive and the wide use of turbo charged boxer engines, with a rugged but practical brand positioning to generate fierce loyalty among its buyers,” said James Clark, General Manager of ALG. “Subaru also has been restrained with incentives over the past year, and its three core models have all been recently redesigned, helping it to move from second place to first this year.” Acura, a division of American Honda Motor Company, has won the Luxury Brand Residual Value Award for the second consecutive year. Mr. Clark commented, “Acura has taken a different tack than most luxury brands, and its decision to stick with front-wheel drive platforms and smaller engines has served it well in the current uncertain times. Acura’s outstanding reliability, simple packaging schemes and value pricing with low incentive levels were major factors in its repeat finish at the top of the luxury market this year.” Honda, the runner-up for the Mainstream Brand Residual Value Award, received three segment Residual Value Awards, for the Fit (Entry Compact Car); the Accord (Midsize Car); and the Odyssey (Minivan). Toyota Motor Sales, USA also won three segment awards, for the Sequoia (Large Utility Vehicle); the Tacoma (Compact/Midsize Pickup); and the Prius (Hybrid/Alternative Powertrain). In addition, Toyota’s Lexus division – the runner-up for the Luxury Brand Residual Value Award – received two segment awards, for the Lexus LS (Luxury Car) and the Lexus RX (Near Luxury Utility Vehicle). BMW was the only other winner of more than one segment award, for the Mini Cooper (Sporty Car) and the BMW 1 Series (Near Luxury Car). Among domestic manufacturers, the only winner was Ford, for the F-150 (Fullsize Pickup). Other segment winners included the Nissan Maxima (Fullsize Car); the Audi S5 (Luxury Sports Car); the Mazda 3 (Mid-Compact Car); and the Range Rover Sport (Luxury Utility Vehicle). Mr. Clark concluded, “We continue to believe that residual value is the best metric for evaluating the overall strength of an automotive brand, and we congratulate all of the 2010 winners for their successful products and marketing strategies.” Summary of 2010 Residual Value Award Winners Mainstream Brand: Subaru of America Luxury Brand: Acura, a division of American Honda Motor Company, Inc. Entry Compact Car: Honda Fit Mid-Compact Car: Mazda 3 Midsize Car: Honda Accord Fullsize Car: Nissan Maxima Compact Utility Vehicle: Subaru Forester Midsize Utility Vehicle: Subaru Outback Large Utility Vehicle: Toyota Sequoia Minivan: Honda Odyssey Compact/Midsize Pickup: Toyota Tacoma Fullsize Pickup: Ford F-150 Sporty Car: Mini Cooper Near Luxury Car: BMW 1 Series Luxury Car: Lexus LS Luxury Sports Car: Audi S5 Near Luxury Utility Vehicle: Lexus RX Luxury Utility Vehicle: Range Rover Sport Hybrid/Alternative Powertrain: Toyota Prius [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 WHA???? Residual value for cars that are less than one full model year old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 "the wide use of turbo charged boxer engines" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 "the wide use of turbo charged boxer engines" Forester, Legacy, and 2 Flavors of Impreza. What other everyday manufacturer has that many turbos let alone that % of their product portfolio as a turbo? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 WHA???? Residual value for cars that are less than one full model year old? Are you being serious... or are you having a brain fart? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Forester, Legacy, and 2 Flavors of Impreza. What other everyday manufacturer has that many turbos let alone that % of their product portfolio as a turbo? Yeah let's see some sales figures on how many new legacies or Foresters are sold with the turbo engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 who else offers them though? If you want a turbo Forester, Legacy, WRX, or STI you can buy one, regardless of how many are sold. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syndicate Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 who else offers them though? ...VW also offers quite a few turbocharged models, a compact hatch (GTI), convertible (Eos), two wagons (Jetta Sportwagen/Passat Variant), three sedans (GLI, Passat, and Passat CC) and a compact suv (Tiguan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbc84 Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 who else offers them though? If you want a turbo Forester, Legacy, WRX, or STI you can buy one, regardless of how many are sold. What about BMW turbo cars, I think they have more 135i 335i 335d 535i 760Li X5 xdrive35d X5 M X6 M X6 xdrive35d X6 xdrive50i Activehybrid X6 Z4 35i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 ...VW also offers quite a few turbocharged models, a compact hatch (GTI), convertible (Eos), two wagons (Jetta Sportwagen/Passat Variant), three sedans (GLI, Passat, and Passat CC) and a compact suv (Tiguan). Good call. And only the the GTI and GLI are tuned for sportiness. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 What about BMW turbo cars, I think they have more 135i 335i 335d 535i 760Li X5 xdrive35d X5 M X6 M X6 xdrive35d X6 xdrive50i Activehybrid X6 Z4 35i All luxury cars. anyone else? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Good call. And only the the GTI and GLI are tuned for sportiness. Where does the statement you linked say that Subaru was chosen because they offer turbo cars "tuned for sportiness?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 All luxury cars. anyone else? Remember the days when the Legacy GT was an alternative/competitor to one of those luxury cars? Now they don't matter because the Legacy competes with the Camry. If you don't vote Trump, out, you're a bigot who hates america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Meanwhile, let's see how many turbo 2010 legacies have been sold If you use this site to extrapolate, it seems that there are more 2010 3.6 owners than GT owners Maybe it's because the Camry and Accord don't offer turbocharged options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Meanwhile, let's see how many turbo 2010 legacies have been sold If you use this site to extrapolate, it seems that there are more 2010 3.6 owners than GT owners Maybe it's because the Camry and Accord don't offer turbocharged options Yeah, I'd love to see that information. I'm still waiting on the breakdowns for 2006-2009, though. Oh well. All in all. This is great news for Subaru. It's just a shame I won't (99%) be buying another one. My parents (over 60 crowd), probably will trade their Camry in for one, though. If you don't vote Trump, out, you're a bigot who hates america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 Remember the days when the Legacy GT was an alternative/competitor to one of those luxury cars? Now they don't matter because the Legacy competes with the Camry. that lasted all of what? 1-2 years. as soon as the A4 and 3 series were redesigned it was left in the dust. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 Meanwhile, let's see how many turbo 2010 legacies have been sold If you use this site to extrapolate, it seems that there are more 2010 3.6 owners than GT owners Maybe it's because the Camry and Accord don't offer turbocharged options If you want one I'm sure you can get one. You can't get a Camry, Accord, Altima, or Mazda 6 with one. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 If you want one I'm sure you can get one. You can't get a Camry, Accord, Altima, or Mazda 6 with one. umm what? Is this supposed to make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 umm what? Is this supposed to make sense? as long as it's offered... you can still buy an LGT. Regardless of how many they sell... it's still a choice... atleast at this point. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 So now let's look at how many turbo engines are purchased on VW's in every class of car and not just by "performance enthusiasts" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 as stuck as you get on hp numbers... how many of those turbo VW's are higher than 200 hp? how many of the turbo Subaru's are less than 256 hp? let's not even factor in weight to power ratios [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 who mentioned anything about HP? you're really straying man. If you don't vote Trump, out, you're a bigot who hates america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Don't try to change the rules to fit your argument Where does the article you posted say anything about turbo charged engines that have to have more than 200hp, weight etc. It doesn't even say anything about performance with turbos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 There's a HUGE gulf between VW's turbo application and Subaru's. VW's uses turbos on most of its lineup as a bump in power over a normally aspirated 4 cylinder. Subaru uses them for performance. The heavy vw's need more motivation that a normally aspirated 4 in most cases. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 not even remotely relevant to the point you made by posting the article Keep trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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