KurtP Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Anyone running them on stock struts? How is it? Did they end up dropping more/less than advertised? I like the HR spring rates that are heavier than eibach, but I dont want to "slam" the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyShop.com Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 H&R springs usually lower cars by a lot. I would not recommend them for stock struts. You will not have much suspension travel and the car will handle and ride poorly over rough roads where travel becomes an issue. Eibachs would be better suited to run on stock struts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnguyenbb6 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 H&R springs usually lower cars by a lot. I would not recommend them for stock struts. You will not have much suspension travel and the car will handle and ride poorly. Eibachs would be better suited to run on stock struts. ^^Disregard this post. H&R's lower about 1.4" all the way around, you'll have 1.5-2 fingers between each fender and tire. Its a very mild drop as advertised. I have Koni yellows(came on the car, I never had stock struts) but even tightened up 1.5 out of 2.5 turns, they ride very nice. I take my 80 y/o gram(with chronic back problems) to the store every week with no complaints from her. Not the best pics but here you go: Sideshot on stock wheels and worn RE92's. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h276/briannguyen435/sideshot.jpg Rear on BBS goldies on Kuhmo ASX 235/40 http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h276/briannguyen435/bbs.jpg Frontish on the same tires as above, it looks lower because the wheel is turned. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h276/briannguyen435/hdr2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustangendsley Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I would say the same. I herd that the hr springs really dont drop the car much. I am going that rout, but with the tokico hts struts and hr springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyShop.com Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I guess it's relative but 1.4" drop on stock struts to me is a lot compared to a little over an inch with other springs. Maybe your roads in Texas are a lot smoother than up here For me and a lot of enthusiasts I have worked with, running a stiff spring with a big drop on stock struts makes an underdamped suspension even more underdamped. If you like it that way, by all means. Keep in mind the guy who said to disregard my post is running Koni yellows, which are much better struts than stock so they would be a good match for the higher rates that the H&R springs have It's a good idea to run a suspension setup where the struts and springs work well together. This is why Bilsteins+pinks are so popular for the LGT, for example. Koni's + H&R/Eibach is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyShop.com Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Hey guys this is Clint @ SubyShop. (Franz was the poster above) Please understand we only wish to help. For what it's worth we would rather have someone not buy a part from us and be happy than buy something and be disappointed. We are around for the long haul and our number one goal is to help people whether they are a customer or not. We figure if we do that the rest will take care of itself. I'm just going to provide some information for you guys to look over and let you draw your own conclusions. If you would like to discuss suspension options or prices we are more than happy to help. And if not that's cool too. Eibach Pro-Kit Performance Lowering Springs PN 7716.140: Spring Type: Progressive Drop Front/Rear: 1.0 in / 0.8 in Spring Rates Front/Rear: Unknown - Eibach does not provide spring rates on their site HR Sport Lowering Springs PN 54425: Spring Type: Progressive Drop Front/Rear: 1.4 in / 1.3 in Spring Rates Front/Rear: Unknown - H&R does not provide spring rates on their site Tein H.Tech Springs PN SKS70-BUB00: Spring Type: Progressive Drop Front/Rear: .94 in / .87 in Spring Rates Front/Rear: 220 lb-in / 310 lb-in Cheers Clint @ SubyShop.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnguyenbb6 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Subyshop, I'm sorry if I was being a jerk saying "disregard this post" but 1. You don't have the springs, 2. You are a vendor and most are biased to what they sell. I was trying to prevent a "don't buy that, buy this from us" Thank you for realizing this, I didn't mean to be a jerk but I have the springs and provided real feedback which is what the OP asked for, not a generalization.Again, sorry if I was a jerk. The H&R springs are also their "sport" springs, not the race ones. I had their race springs on my Prelude and can honestly say that they(race springs) are WAY harsher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactojesse Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Seems like you guys are comparing apples and oranges. Suby Shop's comments pertain to the use of HR springs on the stock LGT (KYB) struts, whereas bnnguyen's comments pertain to HR springs on Konis. Big difference, IMO, similar to the difference between running pinks on stock LGT struts versus Bilsteins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtP Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 thanks for the replies...subyshop...pm sent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpawnGT Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I thought the H-techs dropped it 1.2 and 1 inch front and rear respictivlly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtP Posted August 13, 2009 Author Share Posted August 13, 2009 thats what they advertise.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyShop.com Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Subyshop, I'm sorry if I was being a jerk saying "disregard this post" but 1. You don't have the springs, 2. You are a vendor and most are biased to what they sell. I was trying to prevent a "don't buy that, buy this from us" Thank you for realizing this, I didn't mean to be a jerk but I have the springs and provided real feedback which is what the OP asked for, not a generalization.Again, sorry if I was a jerk. The H&R springs are also their "sport" springs, not the race ones. I had their race springs on my Prelude and can honestly say that they(race springs) are WAY harsher. Seems like you guys are comparing apples and oranges. Suby Shop's comments pertain to the use of HR springs on the stock LGT (KYB) struts, whereas bnnguyen's comments pertain to HR springs on Konis. Big difference, IMO, similar to the difference between running pinks on stock LGT struts versus Bilsteins. Hey guys... It's ok I don't think you were being a jerk! I also don't blame you for initially taking what we said with a grain of salt. I realize we are still new here and we need to prove ourselves. That being said I hope you guys will learn with time that when we say something it is because we believe it to be true. We would never try to dump on a product just to sell you something else. I don't necessarily expect you to take our word for it but as I said I hope you will see that in time. I do agree with the 'Apples to Oranges' comment. It is vitally important (imo) when picking spring and strut combo's that you choose a spring that is properly matched or balanced to the strut it is going on. A spring that is too stiff or drops too much for a stock/soft strut will provide terrible performance. Likewise a spring that is too high or soft on a really aggressive strut will not work well either. To put this in perspective, our main LGT guy is Th3Franz. Some of you may recognize him from the boards as he has been around for many years. He is currently running on Bilsteins and Pinks with upgraded sways and various other bits. He tracks and auto-x's the car often and I consider him to be very experienced when it comes to suspension/performance on LGT's. That is not to suggest that you should not ever question his advice, but I just wanted to let you know where we are coming from. Also I own a heavily modified 2005 STI and I run on Koni/Ground Control coil overs with big bars etc and I also track and auto-x my car. Just to let you guys know that we do have some experience. As far as which is the best spring for your needs that depends as much on what struts you have as how you plan to drive the car. There is no one size fits all answer. What we like to do is give someone a few different options and let the customer choose what they want. Thanks for giving us an opportunity to explain our point of view and interact with you guys. If any of you would like quotes or just have questions we are more than happy to help out so please don't hesitate to ask. I thought the H-techs dropped it 1.2 and 1 inch front and rear respictivlly thats what they advertise.... Nope! Right from Tein's site: http://www.tein.com/products/high_tech_price_list.html http://www.tein.com/tech_info/s70.html http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv19/levenussupremus/htechlgt.png Now I'm really glad I posted to help clear that up for you guys. BTW we sell all of those springs mentioned including H&R. thanks for the replies...subyshop...pm sent... No problem. We are always happy to help out. I will get back to you asap. Clint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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