pkwok4 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 stage 2 legacy gt mods-cobb intake, perrin dp, cobb cbe, AP at stage 2, perrin crank pulley, sts, avo turbo inlet, perrin uppipe, avo tmic stage 2 mazdaspeed 3 mods- mazdaspeed cai, cobb turbo inlet, turbo xs turboback, cobb fmic, AP at stage 2 w/cai&fmic boosting 20 psi, hks ssqv bov, and wheels(not sure if its lightweight tho). Which car is faster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urfsin Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Why are you asking us? Go to a track and find out. Having said that.....think about it for a moment. MS3 is lighter, has more power AND has less powertrain loss. Now who do you think is faster? Slide It Sideways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkwok4 Posted April 15, 2009 Author Share Posted April 15, 2009 well i appreciate you answering following question....just wondering cuz stock for stock from a stop the lgt is faster and from a role its dead even(I know this from personal experience). So is the lgt or mazdaspeed 3 gonna be faster with the stage 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryandigi Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 +1 Take it to the track or some deserted road. I also demolished a stock MS3...I was stage II so curious what a stage II MS3 (trying to convince the buddy to go that route sooner than later) would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevkel33leg05 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 subscribed to see the winner! wanna say LGT FTW but i mean come on this is LGT.com! lol:spin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTGT Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I think it would be close. He has more mods. He is running a FMIC with a decent amount of boost. Winner is the one that launches and shifts the best He is lighter and probably puts down the same if not more power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Legacy Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 MS3 will be faster. I raced one with simialr mods and it was about 1 1/2 cars ahead in 4th. From a slow roll or dig you should take him all the way, they get no traction those cars. So even if he is faster the lgt has better usable power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklyngenius Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 by rights you should leave him at the line but the question becomes does he have the power to make up the ground and does the driver have the skill to get the tires to grab. this seems like a question about driver skill more than anything. useless signature line where i cant mention my sponsors "First Bagged BL5!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spec B Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 From a roll LGT loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostsr20 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 From a roll LGT loses. Yup. My Stage 2 auto LGT would barely pull my brothers stage 1 MS6. And the MS6 is heavier than the MS3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGlass Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I'd say the lgt (assuming 5-speed) from a dig, the torque + awd but from a roll it's probably the ms3. Unfortunately the drivetrain loss is too great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostsr20 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Direct injection is awesome..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Legacy Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I'd say the lgt (assuming 5-speed) from a dig, the torque + awd but from a roll it's probably the ms3. Unfortunately the drivetrain loss is too great Point is moot, basic stg 2 wont cut it vf52 should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frkkevin Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Stage II LGT is still quite slow IMO.. 512whp/465ftlb 2005 5EAT Legacy (Build Log) Videos - - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdiggA Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 ^^^ +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j255c Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Strange, i just read an article in modified magazine discussing how the ms3 does not have very good VE, and that after 5000rpms the power dies of regardless of the modifications on the car. " The DFI fuel pump on the ms3 engine is a limitation...the MZR engine is not designed to operate at a very high engine rpm range...[it will need] different camshafts and and larger turbos to increase the MZR's VE up in the higher rpm range" So pretty much solution get a bigger turbo for your suby and you should be all set . 06 TB EVO IX SE stock turbo monster subaru hater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdiggA Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 ^^ always bringing real facts to the table, thanks. I know with the MKV GTI's adding a new fuel pump for their DFI systems adds like 20whp or something ridiculous but thats what the seller claims so who knows what it really is, i wonder if its similar for MS3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 my Stg 2 LGT pulled two car lengths on a Stg 2 MS3 before I had to brake for a right hander. He chirped out of the pits, I did a geriatric 3k clutch slip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdiggA Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 theres a red MS3 crusin around by me, i'll have to taunt him next time i see him and see if he can follow along:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j255c Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 ^^ always bringing real facts to the table, thanks. I know with the MKV GTI's adding a new fuel pump for their DFI systems adds like 20whp or something ridiculous but thats what the seller claims so who knows what it really is, i wonder if its similar for MS3 DFI greatly outweighs the benefits of our MPFI. There is still much to be learned. The pressures in the DFI are in the 1000's of PSI's whereas ours is around 50psi. Manufacturers tend to design the fuel pumps with little wiggle room for imrpovement. My friends chipped 335xi has had two fuel pump failures now 06 TB EVO IX SE stock turbo monster subaru hater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryandigi Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 ^doesn't the chevy/pontiac DFI 2.0L turbo have lots of headroom, or is that only in the injector IDC levels and not the fuel pump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camber Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 ^doesn't the chevy/pontiac DFI 2.0L turbo have lots of headroom, or is that only in the injector IDC levels and not the fuel pump? DFI on cobalt SS has a lot of head room to about 450 WHP. It's the first DFI where you actually have enought fueling and injectors to do a proper turbo swap. I don't think are any proper turbo swap options for the Mazda 2.3 DFI turbo engine. I've read about people putting bigger turbos but that usually results in engine failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard B. Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I'd say the lgt (assuming 5-speed) from a dig, the torque + awd but from a roll it's probably the ms3. Unfortunately the drivetrain loss is too great wrong. my stage 1 5eat has taken out 2 different speed 3's from 85-100. dunno what they had. no contest. a 5 eat man AND i had a passenger both times. you need to lay off the youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard B. Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 stage 2 legacy gt mods-cobb intake, perrin dp, cobb cbe, AP at stage 2, perrin crank pulley, sts, avo turbo inlet, perrin uppipe, avo tmic stage 2 mazdaspeed 3 mods- mazdaspeed cai, cobb turbo inlet, turbo xs turboback, cobb fmic, AP at stage 2 w/cai&fmic boosting 20 psi, hks ssqv bov, and wheels(not sure if its lightweight tho). Which car is faster? hope you aren't running cobb stage 2 maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underpowerd Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 ^werd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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