Daedalus Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I've tried searching on this, but couldn't find any opinions. I want/need to replace my pads. I want something more aggressive than the OEM ones, but want them to be aggressive enough for the occasional track day. I'm not sure which pads would make a good decision. Here's what I've concluded. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Hawk HPS - Not aggressive enough for track. Temp range too low. Great street only pad. Carbotech Bobcat - Slightly better on the track than the HPS. Hawk HP+ - Good occational track pad with decreased street performance (operating temps a little too high, noise, and dust) Carbotech AX6 (Panther+) - Better track pad with the same issues as the HP+ Right now I'm leaning towards the Bobcats and the HP+ pads. Are there any other options? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 I've read that the Bobcats operate from ambient temp to about 900*F. EBC Greenstuff pads operate from about ambient to 1100*F. Are the Greenstuffs any good? Are they available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetic1 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 EBC Greenstuffs are generally not highly regarded in the track community. The Bobcats WILL glaze. Do not attempt. What kind of tires will you be running and at what track? (I notice you are from Fairfax: Summit? VIR?) There is no real true "dual purpose" pad. Anything labeled as such will be dusty and noisy on the street, and not very high performing on track. I would recommend just getting separate pad sets. If you must get something that is "dual purpose"... Id recommend Carbotech XP8. I know a lot of guys who use them on the street (dusyt/noisy) but at least on track they are more capable. HP+ has similar issues to AX6 in that track performance will not be super. OR you can splurge on our Wilwood kit, then you can get some Performance Friction Z-rated pads. Those work "ok" for track, with less dust/noise for street. Lemme know if I can help with any of the options above. Free Sonax Cleaner Deal http://www.brakeswap.com Carbotech, Hawk, PFC, DBA Rotors, Motul, Wilwood, Castrol... Great service. No bumping required ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Lang Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I'd say it depends on where you are willing to compromise the most: on the street or on the track? But regardless, I'd go with Endless. I love the Vita Nuova's but thats just their intro street pad. Give DOM a call @ (714) 847-0694 or the guys @ Dentsport.com are awesome. Be prepared to pay for quality. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Lang Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Oh & Performance Friction Z-Rated for our Legacy GT? Or for your Wilwood kit only? They shipped me some pads that were supposed to fit my GT, but were too small (made for 2.5 only). When I called they said they didn't make them for the GT; only the 2.5.... really? I'd love some PF pads for our cars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwhillVT Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 The Bobcats WILL glaze. Do not attempt. Yep, I used these for 1 track weekend and they glazed over badly, I would not recommend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 My first event will most likely be with the NoVA Corvette club at their annual Cone Killers event. It's on the Jefferson Circuit of Summit. I believe this will be a low speed event. The tires I'll be running are Kumho Ecsta ASX (215/45/17). I'll be running stock lines and am definitely replacing my fluid (not sure what kind though). I'll also be running Spec.B struts and springs and Cusco front and rear sways (not sure if that info is needed). It sounds like the HP+ and AX6 are probably my best bets (since I won't be tracking all that much, and if I do, it won't be anything too serious (I'm a noob)). What kind of temperature ranges do the HP+ and AX6 offer? Will they require some intentional heating in the mornings on my way to work? Or something like 1-2 stoplights suffice? So if GreenStuffs are out of the question, what about the YellowStuff (or RedStuff) for that matter? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetic1 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 PFCs only for Wilwood calipers. The AX6 is ok, but if you are already going to be getting dust/noise, might as well get the XP8. Both should be ok on your way to work. AX6 stats show it to 1250degrees and XP8 to 1350. For Jefferson Circuit, you SHOULD be ok with street pads. Especially if it is your first time out there. Id say for this event, go out and have fun. Then when you goto Summit Main or a bigger course, then move up to more aggressive pads that you swap out for the event. Free Sonax Cleaner Deal http://www.brakeswap.com Carbotech, Hawk, PFC, DBA Rotors, Motul, Wilwood, Castrol... Great service. No bumping required ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urfsin Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Do not go with EBC Greenstuff, they are $hit. EBC Redstuff and Yellowstuff on the other hand have been working quite well for me. I have Redstuff for my street pad and Yellow's for track. I did not fade the Yellow's at the track and I was happy with them for the price. If I had more $$$ I would go with Hawk HP-10 or somthing like that. Some people drive the Yellow's on the street and are ok with it, but it is a track pad and operates best at higher temps. Slide It Sideways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 I really appreciate the advise magnetic1! It's nice to know a vendor isn't going to recommend me to purchase something when I don't really need it. On another note, which fluid would you recommend, and how much would I need. Another random question, I have a can of Super ATE Blue from many years ago (6-7). It's never been opened, is it still good to use? How long does this stuff last on the shelf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetic1 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Theoretically it should last a very long time, but without a fluid tester, there is no way to know how much moisture it has absorbed over the years (even through the metal can/plastic cap). For fluid, it depends on when your next event is going to be. If it will be in 6 months, Id goto AutoZone or similar and get DOT4 equiv. fluid. If you will be doing this more frequently, Id recommend either Motul RBF600 or GS610. I typically do not recommend ATEBlue because it stains everything, but it is a capable fluid. If you want, Ill be around Fairfax/Dulles this Sat. I can meet you up and give you GS610 for $12 if you like. No shipping, no tax. Then replace your old stuff and flush the calipers. For that, Id get a turkey baster to suck out as much fluid from the reservoir as you can, refill w/ new fluid, then bleed. PM me. Free Sonax Cleaner Deal http://www.brakeswap.com Carbotech, Hawk, PFC, DBA Rotors, Motul, Wilwood, Castrol... Great service. No bumping required ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Xenonk Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 XP8 should be fine for even daily driving for our cars, but you will get some noise and dust. but if you look at the big picture, they will stop for you. Just one or two hard stops should warm them enough to bite in this cold weather. Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Are you sure the XP8 wouldn't eat up rotors more quickly for DD use? -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetic1 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Are you sure the XP8 wouldn't eat up rotors more quickly for DD use? Hey Franz, Not by a noticeable amount over AX6. Plus CT compounds tend to be a lot more rotor friendly anyways (and dust is more friendly on paint). Now if you tried to street on something like a HT10, forget about it. Talk about caked on brake dust and rotor wear! Free Sonax Cleaner Deal http://www.brakeswap.com Carbotech, Hawk, PFC, DBA Rotors, Motul, Wilwood, Castrol... Great service. No bumping required ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTGT Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Just found this thread. I am also between all of those pad choices. What did you end up going with. Sounds like the XP8 Would be fine in the winter with a few hard stops to warm them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetic1 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I know plenty of guys who run XP8s year round. Just remember two things. One is when cold, there is a lot more rotor wear. They will work fine in the cold, just not optimally. And Two, dust/noise! Free Sonax Cleaner Deal http://www.brakeswap.com Carbotech, Hawk, PFC, DBA Rotors, Motul, Wilwood, Castrol... Great service. No bumping required ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTGT Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 i meant to say Ax6. d'oh. better compromise between HP+ and Bobcats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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