virulosity Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I was driving home in the rain today when the traffic suddenly stopped. I stomped the brakes as my car has ABS, but it just continued drifting forward with little deceleration. It felt like I would have stopped faster by locking up the brakes with no ABS! You can feel the pulsation as if it is working but it is alarming how much it doesn't slow the car down. I tried easing on the brakes to maximum braking force at the next stop and it worked fine. Anytime I slam on the brakes though, they are almost useless. Is this a common problem? I read about this being an issue with the 02-03 WRX. I may be selling my car over this as it is quite scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GULLABLE0NE Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 i would have to say the rain could have been a big factor in braking distance. tires and brake pads can also be big factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GULLABLE0NE Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 my stock tires and pads are a crappy combo. i can't wait to get my summer tires (yoko s-drives) back on and buy some new pads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackfang Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Ahhh yes. Lets blow it way out of proportion and sell the car over something that can be fixed for tens of thousands cheaper. [SIZE=1][URL="http://public.fotki.com/blackfang/"]Pics[/URL] [B]08 KawasakiZZR 600- exhaust and other mods 98 Camaro Z/28 HT- some mods......street/strip car 07 Legacy 2.5i- SPT exhaust...daily driver[/B][/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gire Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 ABS generally won't help you stop sooner than with good old fashioned threshold braking techniques. ABS is for n00b drivers that never bother to learn the limits of a cars' systems. ABS is only good for slowing down towards something and needing to steer around it at the last second if necessary. Practice Threshold braking and you'll notice that you will stop much shorter than if you just stomp on the brakes and activate ABS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I have experienced this on icy roads, but not on wet roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virulosity Posted December 23, 2008 Author Share Posted December 23, 2008 I understand that a car takes longer to stop in the wet, however what I experienced is beyond reason. I am using Kumho Solus tires, but the tires aren't the problem if I can accelerate in first gear harder than I can brake. I think having the wheel speed sensors disconnected may actually have improved performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05Limited Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I know what you're talking about - I only had it happen once, but in my old '05 LGT I remember slamming on the brakes and invoking ABS at a red light, and sliding into the intersection in a situation where I could have easily stopped without the ABS working. The car literally just kept going - I couldn't replicate the same thing later, though, and it hasn't happened yet in my '06 spec B. I thought it might have been the SS brake lines at the time, and I haven't installed them yet on the spec B. Do you happen to have SS lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsnoops Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 just buy hawk hps pads and none of it will be a problem. thats how i solved it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garandman Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 What kind of tires do you have? That's the only part that touches the road. Had it just started raining in the last 30 minutes or so? Who Dares Wins スバル Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aigochamaloh Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 For the one day I had the ABS fuse out, the brakes felt soooooooooooo much better. You get some pedal feel back because the EBD is not working for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 You could just leave a greater distance between you and the car in front Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virulosity Posted December 24, 2008 Author Share Posted December 24, 2008 You could just leave a greater distance between you and the car in front Well, i could have just not driven in the first place if I had known my car wouldn't stop. I must have gotten complacent from driving "modern" cars like my 1998 camry. I can see how people would be skeptical if this hasn't happened to you yet though. FYI the brakes are stock and they are in good repair, the tires are kumho all-season "Solus" which I have had mounted on other cars I have owned and performed great. This is definitely an electronic problem, not tires or brakes. Had I pulled the e-brake I probably would have stopped sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 The brakes in stock form are just fine. If the ABS is kicking in then it's doing its job, maybe time to get better tyres. Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rika Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Had I pulled the e-brake I probably would have stopped sooner. I wouldnt do that its bad for the dif PS this entire thread is the result of driver error; learn threshold braking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortal2None Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 I wouldnt do that its bad for the dif PS this entire thread is the result of driver error; learn threshold braking. Panic braking can happen due to distractions or whatever and it can happen to anyone. It's a fact of driving. (especially as we get older and the reflexes slow a bit...) I feel the ABS system on the Legacy is a bit to eager to engage even when its not needed. Even when my 18x8's are on the car the ABS system goes off while exerting gradual force on the brakes and the tires are not squealing even in the dry. Is there a way to raise the threshold where it engages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impulse Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 yea w/ upgraded pads and summer tires, ABS does feel scary. i invoked it (briefly) before i had the chance to back off for threshold braking and i slid ALOT further than i would have thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aigochamaloh Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 While I agree when others are saying you should modulate the pedal well yourself, I also have to agree with you in saying that this is the worst brake pedal and system I have felt. When ABS kicks in, it doesn't sound good or feel good. The ABS in my Avalon worked well, without funny noises or crazy feeling through the pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garandman Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Lets hear from the OP first about if it had just started raining, and what he has for tires? If it had just started raining he might well have been on marbles anyway. Who Dares Wins スバル Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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