meliaant Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Did a search on here, to no avail, and the tirerack reviews offered nothing...was curious if anyone has any good info on these tires...pretty aggressive looking directional PAS tire...any input would be greatly appreciated. If you ever catch on fire, try to avoid looking in a mirror, because I bet that will really throw you into a panic.
Savager Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 This is the same tire that I've been looking at as a possible alternative to the Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S. I can get them locally for $118.00 ea., vs. $200.00 for the Michelins. You are right, since the G019 was just introduced earlier this year there doesn't seem to be a lot of info out there on them yet. I'm primarily concerned about their ability in snow. Anyone have any experience with this tire?
krzyss Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 I think that RE960 competes with Michelin Exalto A/S, not G 019 Grid. Just a thought. Krzys
rjundi Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 I think that RE960 competes with Michelin Exalto A/S, not G 019 Grid. Just a thought. Krzys No the Exalto A/s is marketed as high performance tire. The RE960 an ultra high performance tire. The Michelin Pilot Sport A/S competes directly with RE960.
meliaant Posted October 8, 2008 Author Posted October 8, 2008 nothing yet? I can get them locally for 100.99, and they're pretty ridiculous (good) looking...a co-worker has some on her altima, and I have to imagine that they would be absolute tanks in the snow. If you ever catch on fire, try to avoid looking in a mirror, because I bet that will really throw you into a panic.
jarrod Posted October 9, 2008 Posted October 9, 2008 I think I had these on my lgt at one point...not a bad tire but not that great in the snow
andrewsalinger Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 I was wondering about these today too. They are rated pretty well in snow and light snow, by Tire Racks standards, but I think they are rated for their category. My take on them is that they will be better than my RE92's in the snow since I have about 48K miles on them. My RE92s were pretty awful last winter, but I wanted to wait out the season to get into this Winter for new tires... Im leaning towards getting these, only because I have read bad things about the noise coming from the Eagle FS1, which at one time a lot of people liked on here, but after 10k miles or so, they started to wear unevenly/ make noise. Anybody else have any input on these tires yet though? Im sure there has to be somebody out there who knows something....
Muleski Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 I bought a set of G019 Grids and mounted them on our 2002 H6 Outback after we recently bought it. Our daughter's car. We wanted a PAS tire for all but the heaviest snow months, when we run dedicated snows. That car's all over northern NE in the winter. At the same time I bought a set Of RE960 AS's for my 2005 LGT wagon. The tires on the Outback are 225/60/16's. Now the Outback isn't the LGT, but I've had a chance to do some fairly spirited driving with it. We have about 8k miles on the tires. The tires are wearing evenly; we watch the tire pressure and they hold their pressure well. I've been pleased with them on dry pavement, they tend to grip a bit better than I had expected. Perhaps that's because the RE92's that came with the car could not suck enough. They've been plenty for the car in the dry. Real good rain tire. Light rain, mist, standing water. The car seems to stop very well with these tires. I went to HPS pads, new rotors and better fluid just before I put on the tires, but the difference once the tires were scrubbed for a few hundred miles was noticeable. Very predictable. I have not noticed them to be objectionally noisy. Not enough to bother me, or have me second guess the choice. Our real need on the car is to have a tire that will work in the summer and then when it gets too cold for a summer tire, when we may get hit with the early season snow in New England. October and November, March and early April. I just can't do three sets of tires on this car, mine and our son's S6 {or I'd disuade him from three sets...his money}. I took a gamble based on the reviews and what I could learn about the previous generation tire. Sounds like my daughter may get the first dusting of snow tonight. That will be the first snow experience. If so, I'll report in. All in all, very pleased. And price was a factor on this, for sure. I had bought three other sets of snows last winter. Nokian Rsi's for the LGT, and then I had made the choice to go with the RE960's on the LGT for the summer. Same logic as for the Outback. I would prefer summer tires, but I can't be caught in early or late season snow and cold with them, nor can I run snows at 60 degrees in late October and November. As an example, it was 60 on Friday here, and in the 20's at night when we visited my son in upstate NY 24 hours later. I'm pretty pleased with the RE960's. Wearing very well after 10K miles. Decent "summer" performance, though not a high performance summer tire by any means. Very, very impressive in the rain. I like the way the car brakes with them. I would say a bit more noisy than the Grid's. They're pretty much exactly what I was looking for. I think that the Grid is likely a much better value, though. I wonder at times what I'm getting for almost twice the price with the RE960's. not that I'm disappointed with them, more so that the Grid's have really impressed me. By the way probably 50/50 highway and country driving.
BigInALegacy Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 I bought these for my summer wheels about 2 months ago, they were available, and I talked the guy down to about $110 a tire. 17x225x45 (IIRC, they're on 8" wheels) The good: Overall they ride nice, pretty quiet. Little more grip than stock (probably due to 1/2 inch bigger). Seemed to be sure footed in the rain. Only had them a month or two, so impressions are limited. The bad: About 2 weeks ago, driving home at 1:30AM on the highway, my car starts feeling funny (vibrating) so I quickly pulled over. Sure enough, 2 slits about 3-4 inches each in different places on the sidewall. Threw on the donut (with the help of MA finest ) and swapped my stockers the next day. So I go back to Firestone (Leominster, MA near the mall...) Long story short, he tells me it's MY FAULT and I have to pay out of pocket because I didn't get road hazard insurance for an extra $75. Rather than argue with the dipstick mechanic (i use that term loosely) I also have a similar tire protection plan from Subaru, so they'll reimburse me for the tire if I have to pay to repair it.. probably the road I'll have to take unfortunately. So... the tires would good overall, while they all lasted. This leads me to ask: why did my tire blow out for no reason? After noticing these are H-rated tires (not Z like the stockers) I'm wondering if they're even supposed to BE on the car. Makes me wonder if that's why it blew: the lesser rated tire has a softer sidewall, which can't handle the performance of our cars?
andrewsalinger Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 While I intended to find the letter rating on the tire , I never did and was going to discuss at Town Fair Tire. After reading your post, I am planning on going with a different tire and leaning more toward the Eagle FS1's . At least the photo of them made them appear to be aggressive... Some people have mentioned that after about 10k miles, they start getting noisy,I am not overly concerned about the noise, but I am definitely concerned about getting a sidewall tear from pushing the car beyond the tires limits -
BigInALegacy Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 So your saying H-rated = bad on the LGT = why you'll avoid them?
andrewsalinger Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Not necessarily, I am sure an H rated tire is good for some purposes, and even some purposes on an LGT, but like you said, it is softer, and it sounds like a bad combination being that it is a softer and bigger tire. Sounds almost like the roll got to the tire. Without seeing the tire though, its tough to judge. It would seem with a lower center of gravity on a smaller tire and more firm rubber - you would have less roll, and potentially less stress on the tires sidewalls. Your tires could have been a complete one off and a rarity with those tires, but sounds more likely that you aren't the only person that that has happened to.
BigInALegacy Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 "roll got to the tire" - that was my thought too, but not being a tire expert I can't really say much.
BigInALegacy Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 pics of said slashes in sidewall... http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/chrisgemail/1004081306a.jpg http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/chrisgemail/1004081306.jpg http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/chrisgemail/1004081306b.jpg
krzyss Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Strange failure. I would contact Bridgestone directly and send them pictures. Krzys
BigInALegacy Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 Yeah, That's what others have said too. I got the tire sales manager's card too so I'll go down the line of managers until i get somewhere or I'll just get my subaru warranty to take care of it worst case. Still bull though...
Savager Posted October 25, 2008 Posted October 25, 2008 I'm guessing that the damage seen in those pics is a RESULT of the loss of pressure, not the CAUSE of it. In order for there to be sidewall failure in two spots on the sidewall, the failures would have to have occured at exactly the same time - not real likely. Driving even a short distance on a low profile tire with little or no air in it will cause sidewall splits just like shown in the pics. Did you do a careful examination of the tire for a puncture in the tread that would have caused loss of pressure?I'm not convinced that we are looking at a manufacturing defect OR a misapplication of this tire for the car yet....
meliaant Posted October 29, 2008 Author Posted October 29, 2008 does ANYONE have winter experience with these? If you ever catch on fire, try to avoid looking in a mirror, because I bet that will really throw you into a panic.
krzyss Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 How? If I am not mistaken this is the first winter for G019s since they were released. Krzys
Muleski Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 This will be the first winter for them. My daughter's in Vermont, and has them on a 2002 H6 Outback. They're actually her summer and fall tire. Dedicated snows go on shortly. But....she's been hit with a couple of early season snow storms. Not a lot....2-3" of wet, slushy stuff. I just called her when I saw this to ask about the car and tires. Her comment was that they seemed "fine". She wasn't creeping along, nor was she trying to test their limits, but she drove about 50 miles in the snow, and said that they were fine steering and stopping. She's got somewhere between 10-12K in mileage on them. Not much info, but better than none, and not a "they couldn't suck enough!"
baj Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 Found this favorable review of winter performance: http://forums.nissansportmag.com/zerothread/417695-bridgetstone-potenza-g019-grid-test-update Anybody have any updates for this thread now that winter has come and gone?
Perrin713 Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 I've had the tires on my car now for about 6-8 months. They seem to be good runners. I live in CNY- Lake Effect region. Tires seemed to do pretty good!
biz77 Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 I'm guessing that the damage seen in those pics is a RESULT of the loss of pressure, not the CAUSE of it. In order for there to be sidewall failure in two spots on the sidewall, the failures would have to have occured at exactly the same time - not real likely. Driving even a short distance on a low profile tire with little or no air in it will cause sidewall splits just like shown in the pics. Did you do a careful examination of the tire for a puncture in the tread that would have caused loss of pressure? I'm not convinced that we are looking at a manufacturing defect OR a misapplication of this tire for the car yet.... I was going to say the same. From the pictures, it appears that the sidewall had been driven on for some time (much longer than the time it took you to notice a problem and pull off the road), which would be the result of driving on the tire with too little air pressure. To my point, notice how the sidewall writing seems to be worn down about half way up the sidewall: http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/chrisgemail/1004081306.jpg
BigInALegacy Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 it was something like 3:00 am on a poorly lit highway in a sketchy area... so i had to drive to the next exit (less that 1/4 mile prob) before stopping so I wouldn't get mugged/ran over. Probably drove a little longer than I would of had I been in a safe area... of that I'm guilty If they were underinflated at all (which I'm 90% sure they weren't), it surely wasn't to the point where I was driving on the sidewall, I'm 100% sure of that. Tires had been on for like 2 weeks maybe, tread depth was exactly what it is new. In any event, i've had it replaced under my Subaru rim/tire warranty for free so I don't much care. 2nd Summer on the tires... seem to run good in the rain. Very good dry performance. Not too loud IMO. No winter experience though, strictly my Summer setup.
MajorWood Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 I've had my G019's for a few months now, which includes three months of winter in Portland. Snow performance was fine. I went with 205/50 which leave enough clearance for cables when it gets really hairy, but didn't need to put them on once, even in the mountains though I avoid the heavier days up there. One thing that surprised me was gas mileage, which is a good 5-10% less than the OEM Yokohamas. I used to get around 300 miles on a 13 gallon fill-up but now I'm pressed to make it to 280 on the same schedule. At first I thought it was more aggressive driving on new tires (guilty!) but even when I changed my shift points back to normal and didn't take the Stig's line into EVERY corner, it was a bit better but still at least 10 miles below what I was getting previously. As for noise, our highways are pretty chewed up with studs, but when I hit a new section of smooth asphalt they are silent. I wonder if the directional nature just makes them worse on really bad surfaces. But then, that is what the volume control is for. I haven't had the opportunity for the true test of a tire, which is wet leaves. I hate wet leaves.
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