Battling revisionist history concerning...

[Whitestar Pilot]

The dodge Daytona 2.2 turbo models from the 80's.

 

I've gotten into an argument with an apparent fan club of these cars on youtube.

 

[ame=http://youtube.com/watch?v=VPoKI8g5WiU]YouTube - Dodge Daytona 2.2 IC Turbo II 1/4mile 12.68 pass[/ame]

 

Any other 80's street warriors around here?

 

I mean seriously, the 2.2 daytona shelbys and such were not that fast in stock trim. I never saw one that could run with a 5.0 foxbody mustang or tuned-port Iroc or Trans Am back in the day.

 

Who are these guys kidding? It shouldn't bother me I suppose, ignorance is all around us all the time, but this upsets me.

[05GT Guru]

I have raced alot of daytonas, the v6s, and the 4 cylinder turbos were both raped by my friends GTP often, he ran a 14.6-14.8 and they all lost by 8-15cars. They were mid to high 15 second cars with a good driver maybe low 15s at best. And what they said about 5.0s is wrong high 16s low 17s, yeah maybe with a horrible driver, some of the lxs only weighed 2800lbs, i have seen a bone stock 5.0 with street tires run a 14.01 with 245hp at the crank.

 

Also whoever said a daytona can handle 30psi in stock form is horribly mistaken, i have seen them pop with the stock 15psi

[John M]

archone64 in that thread is right on with his synopsis of 80s performance figures. Zero-60 in 7.0 and mid 15s in the quarter was spectacular!

 

The IROC Daytona is an entirely different beast from the other turbo Dodges of the era. It did easy 14s and was more than a match for the F-bodies until the introduction of the LT1.

[chenc544]

Also whoever said a daytona can handle 30psi in stock form is horribly mistaken, i have seen them pop with the stock 15psi

 

Maybe they were getting confused between the Daytona and the Conquest/Starion? Those things came with the 4G63.

[Spec B]

I loved the Starion/Conquest..I believe they were rear wheel drive and had a 2.6L turbo..

[05GT Guru]

Yeah a buddy of mine named nick had a conquest its a hard car to find in good condition. he finally got one after 9months of looking and it only had 60kmiles on it. But we blew the **** outta that engine twice before it got to 80k. We never even hit 25psi much less 30psi.

 

As for the iroc being such a beat i disagree, 2900lbs with 224hp, most drivers run low 15s good drivers have gone 14.7s-14.9s, i havent seen a stock one go below 14.8. Thats with my own eyes im sure someone has gone lower than a 14.8. But then again its all about the driver, most stock evos i see at the track are mid to high 14 second cars, hell i have seen people who cant get them out of the 15s. And i have personally driven a stock evo 9 to a 13.6.

[franklin]

I bought an Omni GLH turbo new in 1985. NOT the GLHS ( that was intercooled) 2.2 150 HP 5 speed manual 2200 #

I recall it was listed as the fastest 4 door on sale for under $40,000

P.S. It had the most violent torque steer in first gear you could imagine , it would rip the wheel out of your hand.

[smokedoutv6]

when i turned 17 m father had a Voyager minivan with a 2.0 turbo. at the time i didnt know much about cars so just thought it wa s aquick little minivan. had i known i would have kept it and been driving it today (as a 2nd car).

 

i actually saw one not too long ago that had a blowoff valve and what "sounded" like a little work. i was a little jeaous

[IwannaSportSedan]

My mother's 2.2L VNT LeBaron GTC is just as bad, although not quite as fast as an omni (tin can) due to it being so much heavier.

 

Fast, certainly, but torque-steer enough to be truly dangerous.

 

My Legacy is faster, though. And AWD OWNS FWD, especially in that case.

 

I kinda want to see if the VNT turbo will fit any other engines, though.

[05GT Guru]

My girlfriends best friend has a turbo lebaron, with the timing advanced a little the car felt alot stronger, until we blew something internal

[Whitestar Pilot]

archone64 in that thread is right on with his synopsis of 80s performance figures. Zero-60 in 7.0 and mid 15s in the quarter was spectacular!

 

The IROC Daytona is an entirely different beast from the other turbo Dodges of the era. It did easy 14s and was more than a match for the F-bodies until the introduction of the LT1.

 

I am aware of that one. It was rare, and had reliability issues, did it not?

 

Anyway a Tuned-Port 305 F-body killed those, let alone the 5.7 liter. It just frustrates me. So much bad info on that vid's forum.

[IwannaSportSedan]

Weren't the IROC daytona, and the GTC leBaron basically the same car? (in their respective body-styles)

 

They had a Variable-Nozzle-Turbocharger, a different engine tune, and 225/55-ZR16 tires on 16" wheels, and most of the options available, but no leather interior, cloth power seats, no sunroof, but does have the overhead console. Also with a 5-speed manual transmission. That is how my mom's car is equipped, although the body is suffering from almost 20 years of outdoor exposure, and starting to rust.

 

I know my mom's 90 GTC has no chrome trim whatsoever, all the trim pieces that aren't body-color are all carbon black, and one of the brightest colors of red I have ever seen, people refer to it as "Viper-Red" but I don't know it's official color code name. Much brighter and more "tomato" red than my wife's Classic Red Miata, or my Honda Red motorcycle, or my father's bright red 2005 Mustang convertible.

 

Gee, we don't like red cars, or nothing!

 

It was a very nice car, and evidently still runs like a champ.

 

It is kinda the same story as the Mustang SVO. Very well equipped, and faster than the same year of 302 powered Mustang GT due to lighter weight with similar power; but with a couple of bucks in standard aftermarket parts or tuning, or a few years later (86 Mustang GT got fuel injection, and power levels went up from there, through the mid-90s), in terms of engine development, the V8 was capable of more performance very easily.

[05GT Guru]

Fastest bone stock 5.0 i have seen, only mod was slightly advanced timing and some plastic on the air intake removed was a 14.01. The guy could drive like crazy, all the other stock 5.0s i see are anywhere from 14.8-17s lol

[John M]

As for the iroc being such a beat i disagree, 2900lbs with 224hp, most drivers run low 15s good drivers have gone 14.7s-14.9s, i havent seen a stock one go below 14.8.

 

We know that 14s are nothing today. 14s in the early 90s was blazing fast, especially for a 4 cylinder. You do realize stock DSMs ran 15.0 @ 92, right? That's a far cry from where the 4G63 ended up but they had to start somewhere. I remember when the 5.0-equipped Cougar & Town Car had a whopping 150 horsepower and GM's 5.7 hovered in the 215hp area.

 

There are a lot of relatively cheap & easy upgrades for that series engine. Just google "Gus's minivan" to see fun examples.

 

I'd buy a LeBaron GTC today if I ran into one that was in good shape. That is, if I had the spare cash anyway. I already own two money pits and with the Subie about to demand a FP Green, funds are short.

[05GT Guru]

I know all this, most daytonas were 15 second cars, most people cant hit 14s, also gms tuned port 5.7 was at 245hp, the rs 305 was 170hp lol and the tuned port 305 was around 215. 14s were only good in those years because cars were crap, in the 70s there were alot of 300+hp 14 second and 13 second cars. The 80s and early 90s suck