Fast05 Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 This thread is great!!! Please raise your hand if you acutaly work on your car... Now if you hand is up go out and look at the car and tell srt'd to STFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
700watts Posted May 2, 2007 Author Share Posted May 2, 2007 Hello???? http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1119960&postcount=21 Ok, so which is it...we got them or we don't....do I have go out side and take apart my ride to find out ? I read two people state that it's there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 OK, we can do this again. Subaru Issued TSB-02-97-05, which you can read here: http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20301#post20301 It relates to MODEL YEAR 2004 Forester XTs. Baja Turbos, and STIs. Note that it DOES NOT relate to Legacy GTs. That is because they do not have have not EVER had those filters installed in them. There has NOT been a TSB or recall related to this problem for the Legacy GT or Outback XT cars. The part was NOT installed on any cars for any model years other then 2004. As far as the referenced change in oil change intervals, that is a bunch of BS unless and until someone coughs up something official from Subaru of America and believe me, if they did, Jon[in CT] would have posted it within minutes of it being released. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
700watts Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 ^ hmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vimy101 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Thanks for post #134, rao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 ...and #21. Maybe Subaru corporate should tell these employees to stop making such statements. They could be considered libel couldn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srtd Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 actually i work on subarus all day long and the bolt is there on all cars, would you like pics? that link is showing an old filter, i am speaking of a different spot under the turbo where the avcs and turbo oil both come out of the head together. if you dont belive take your turbo out and pull the bolt under it at the end of the oil feed line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Oh, law talk, my favorite Dealership people are not employees of SOA and it wouldn't be liable. I may have it all wrong, but I am just repeating information from SOA and people's experience who have actually looked at the parts in question. If they changed the oil change interval, we would all have heard about it and they would be communicating it clearly to all owners so that they could enforce it as a warranty requirement. The real question is, do Bilstein HD shocks fit the Legacy Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srtd Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 they are actually going to make these bolt general maintenance in 08 at 30-60k miles because of the problems they have being clogged. i have had 30+ turbo motors out of lgt's and 05-07 they all have two filter banjo bolts. ask anyone that has blown a turbo up if they have one or not. i have plenty of pics if im allowed to post them. part number is: 14445AA090, good luck to those that dont think they are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 actually i work on subarus all day long and the bolt is there on all cars' date=' would you like pics? that link is showing an old filter, i am speaking of a different spot under the turbo where the avcs and turbo oil both come out of the head together. if you dont belive take your turbo out and pull the bolt under it at the end of the oil feed line.[/quote'] Please post the pictures of that part from a Legacy. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 they are actually going to make these bolt general maintenance in 08 at 30-60k miles because of the problems they have being clogged. i have had 30+ turbo motors out of lgt's and 05-07 they all have two filter banjo bolts. ask anyone that has blown a turbo up if they have one or not. i have plenty of pics if im allowed to post them. part number is: 14445AA090' date=' good luck to those that dont think they are there.[/quote'] 30-60k miles? That is the maintenance schedule? So you are saying that there are 2 banjo bolt filters on the left side cylinder head, one at the AVCS and one at the cylinder head itself? You are also saying that the oil change interval for all 08 Legacy GT and Outback GTs is 3750 miles, regardless of operating conditions? The part number you listed is installed on all 05+ Legacies or was it changed? Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmundu Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 I have removed the actuator bolts, and they didn't have screens. So I wonder why SOA would still keep them in the back of the head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmundu Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 That part number is for the screened bolt that goes into the actuator's on '04 and early '05's, FXT/STI's that is. supposedly the bolt feeding the back of the head is just a banjo bolt. For anyone interested the part number is: 15194AA270. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 That part number is for the screened bolt that goes into the actuator's on '04 and early '05's, FXT/STI's that is. supposedly the bolt feeding the back of the head is just a banjo bolt. For anyone interested the part number is: 15194AA270. That's what I thought, but I will wait for the tech to respond Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccorry Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srtd Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 here are the bolts that dont exist: http://www.gcsrts.com/srts-admin/pictures/DSC01454.JPG heres where the bolt that doesnt exit goes in the rear of the turbo side head (left) http://www.gcsrts.com/srts-admin/pictures/DSC01450.JPG close up of the nonexistant filer in the banjo bolt http://www.gcsrts.com/srts-admin/pictures/DSC01449.JPG close up of a used bolt off of a lgt auto 05 turbo taken today: http://www.gcsrts.com/srts-admin/pictures/DSC01448.JPG copy of a bolt and the soa parts sheet of the bolts that dont exist and where the dont go: http://www.gcsrts.com/srts-admin/pictures/DSC01447.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 There is no need to be a smart ass, though I do understand it . No TSBs or recalls have been issued on this subject. I appreciate the information. I also sent a PM to personally apologize for giving you a hard time - I really want to get to the bottom of this. I know what the bolts look like and where they go. What I wanted to see was if there were differences among models (which wouldn't make sense) or just filter/non-filter. What I am not clear about is if you are saying that this was a running change or a replacement; you mentioned that this part now has a service interval of 30-60k miles, which suggests that it the filtered bolt is used in all turbo 2.5 motors. Is the service a replacement or "cleaning" of the filter. Are you saying that the filtered unions are to be removed or removed only after a certain mileage or n ot removed at all. Is the newly proscribed 3750 oil change interval applicable only to the 08's or is it retroactive to earlier models? Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 bosco Stay Stock Stay Happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srtd Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 the oil changes are retroactive, and all dealers should know this. but if any dealers were telling people that anything beyond 3750 was ok thats there call. oil changes are cheaper than motors or turbos. i just like to inform people what is going on with there vehicles so i dont have 10+ more turbo failures or 5+ more motor failures that i have to fix. a turbo car with no oil cooler, a small filter, and avcs should be done every 3k or 3 months, and i dont care about the money you can do it in your driveway. im sorry if im coming off like a smart ass to you, i just like to give correct information and not spread bad info, because after all the purpose of forums is to educate and help individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 We are in agreement; what's rare is that some actual learning is happening What about the fitting; is that replaced on all cars, some cars or only after a problem? Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balrock Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 here are the bolts that dont exist: http://www.gcsrts.com/srts-admin/pictures/DSC01454.JPG heres where the bolt that doesnt exit goes in the rear of the turbo side head (left) http://www.gcsrts.com/srts-admin/pictures/DSC01450.JPG close up of the nonexistant filer in the banjo bolt http://www.gcsrts.com/srts-admin/pictures/DSC01449.JPG close up of a used bolt off of a lgt auto 05 turbo taken today: http://www.gcsrts.com/srts-admin/pictures/DSC01448.JPG copy of a bolt and the soa parts sheet of the bolts that dont exist and where the dont go: http://www.gcsrts.com/srts-admin/pictures/DSC01447.JPG Are you sure you are qualified to swap my turbo for me? Seriously...If you change your oil at 4-5K and have no problems on your vehicle, that it great. I would not wish oil related problems or failures on anyone. SRT's is actually going to "help" AKA DO my swap for me. He is not on here to rattle anyones cage. He may be a smart a$$, but definatley not a dumb a$$. "He" will be replacing the Banjo bolt for me as well as all the stupid crush washers and other little things that I would not know to replace. I think he is just trying to give some insight as to the serious issues that they have had and helping us to prevent those issues in our LGT's. That's what I think anyway..eventhough no one asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Subaru issued TSB #02-101-07, Turbo Vehicle Operation and Care, on Feb 28, 2007. Among other things, it states this: "when the vehicle is used under severe driving conditions, moderate to hard acceleration on a somewhat regular basis, the engine oil and filter should be changed every 3750 miles or 3.75 months......." There is no mention of banjo fitting filters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Question to All - Are the bolts in-question self-serviceable for an average weekend hobbyist shadetree hack greasemonkey like me? If so, what's the best procedure/recommendations on how to do so? Thanks! <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balrock Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 yes, if you know how to pull the timing cover, timing belt, cam pulleys and then redo timing..thats driver side. the turbo side you need to pull turbo, oil feed/avcs under tubo on back of head. follow oil feed line under turbo to where it goes into head ***the main one with the issues is the one on the turbo side**** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opie Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I've been asked by Rao to look into srt'd claims and see what I can find...here ya go; Regarding the change of oil change intervals on turbocharged Subaru's from 7,500 miles to 3,750 miles. It is true, Subaru is updating their Recomeneded Service Intervals to state that all 2005 and newer turbocharged cars should follow the Severe duty maintenance schedules. Here is a copy of Pages #3 & #4 from May's Tech Tip bulletin issued to dealers by Subaru, note the very last couple of lines: http://www.thel7.com/Docs/May07tipsPgs3-4.pdf Regarding the claim that the 2005 and newer Legacy GT has a filter located in the Oil Supply line banjo bolt. The parts lookup (using several different 2005 & 2006 LegacyGT VIN's) indicates that this filter is present on our cars. Regarding the claim that these filters are now added to the recomended maintenance interval for 30,000 & 60,000 miles. That I cannot find anywhere, of course the 2008 Owners Manuals and Maintenance Guides have not yet been posted online by Subaru so this could possibly be true. The only document I could find regarding any maintenance regarding these filters was from the March 2007 Tech Tip's: http://www.thel7.com/Docs/March07tipsPg4.pdf How these changes may affect warranty claims is unknown at this point. I will state that the majority of all the engine failures I have seen personally have been caused by the same thing; lack of maintenance. This includes extended oil change intervals and failure to check the vehicle's fluid levels on a routine basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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