Steiner Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 Just a link for those who appreciate the new muscle coming out without nitpicking it. I was gleening this website every few days before buying the LGT since a newer Mustang GT was also on my list. They're like a TDC or PDX of the modular Ford world:Tuning the 2007 Shelby Mustang Experience is something you don't get until right after you needed it.
wukindada Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 Thats quite a bit of power Ford is leaving on the table for a "stock" GT500. The car itself looks great my issues are with the wt & the sticker price..... 3900lbs for the coupe...over 4000lbs for the convert:rolleyes: 42-45k for the coupe......47-50k for the convert Try this for kicks, walk into a Ford dealer & tell them you will add 10k to that figure, heck make it 15k. They will :lol: you out the door And Ford Corporate fully supports this practice:rolleyes: Toyota 6EATS .........SUCK!!!!!!
Steiner Posted August 17, 2006 Author Posted August 17, 2006 Thats quite a bit of power Ford is leaving on the table for a "stock" GT500. The car itself looks great my issues are with the wt & the sticker price..... 3900lbs for the coupe...over 4000lbs for the convert:rolleyes: 42-45k for the coupe......47-50k for the convert Try this for kicks, walk into a Ford dealer & tell them you will add 10k to that figure, heck make it 15k. They will :lol: you out the door And Ford Corporate fully supports this practice:rolleyes: Doesn't it just sicken you? The problem is that it's mostly consumer driven in my opinion. If there weren't actually people out there who would do it, dealers wouldn't ask for it. Baa-aaa-aaa I was looking at GT's since the prices for low mileage used premium models around me had dropped to almost $20k. Experience is something you don't get until right after you needed it.
wukindada Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 Doesn't it just sicken you? Yea...it does!! Ford made it worse when they said up front this would be a very limited production car. Corporate caused this & the dealers are feeding off of it. Hopefully the 08 Challenger & Camaro will not fall into the same category. I have every intention on Purchasing a 09 Camaro with whatever they have for the highest performance version. If they do the same thing however.......GOODBYE!! Toyota 6EATS .........SUCK!!!!!!
ShockerGT Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 Doesn't it just sicken you? Yea...it does!! Ford made it worse when they said up front this would be a very limited production car. Corporate caused this & the dealers are feeding off of it. Hopefully the 08 Challenger & Camaro will not fall into the same category. I have every intention on Purchasing a 09 Camaro with whatever they have for the highest performance version. If they do the same thing however.......GOODBYE!! Ford had the 03/04 Cobras advertised as "limited" production and there were still a bunch of "new" 04 Cobras sitting on the lots well into the 05 production year that hadn't been titled going for far less than what they were originally MSRP'd at. Personally though, I'm wanting to see how Dodge does with the 08 Challenger. It's been really tempting me, especially since Ford really pigged the 07 Cobras and made it impossible to swap the pulley on the blower without having to buy a whole new snout. Oh and Walker Ford here in Clearwater just sold their first 07 Cobra GT500. Black with silver stripes, 55k out the door. Just goes to show you, if there is demand, dealers will take advantage of it if corporate won't say anything.
wukindada Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 Corporate encourages it;)Only prob. with the challenger is they are already saying curb wt will be around 3800lbs:( If Chevrolet comes out with a Camaro with the LS7 & can keep it around 40K.....SOLD!!!!!!!! Toyota 6EATS .........SUCK!!!!!!
Steiner Posted August 17, 2006 Author Posted August 17, 2006 Corporate encourages it;) Only prob. with the challenger is they are already saying curb wt will be around 3800lbs:( If Chevrolet comes out with a Camaro with the LS7 & can keep it around 40K..... SOLD!!!!!!!! You might as well ask them to throw in a supermodel and a year's supply of rear tires as long as you're dreaming. Remember when the Z came out and lots of Nissan dealers were gouging? Nissan later had a dealer conference to let dealers know the downfall of losing potential/repeat customers over short-term monetary gains and gouging. The big problem with new musclecars coming out is this: For every one sensible guy who says "This isn't right. Go F yourself" to dealer markups, there will be at least ten mullet-sporting hillbillies ready to take out a second mortgage on the doublewide to "Get me one of them new Mustangs/Challengers/Camarahs" (that's not misspelled, it's how they say it where I'm from). Experience is something you don't get until right after you needed it.
wukindada Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 Sooooo true..... I'll prob end up with a LS6 SS & just wind up slapping a intercooled supercharger on it;) Toyota 6EATS .........SUCK!!!!!!
ShockerGT Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 Corporate encourages it;) Only prob. with the challenger is they are already saying curb wt will be around 3800lbs:( If Chevrolet comes out with a Camaro with the LS7 & can keep it around 40K..... SOLD!!!!!!!! Ive been reading high 3600lb range. Nobody will really know until Dodge releases the final numbers. It's just like when people were making speculations that they have an inside man at Ford and that the new GT500 was going to have 550bhp, weigh 3700lb, have IRS and all this nonsense which has been proven false. I don't think Chevy will be able to keep an LS7 Maro in the mid to low 40s, unless its a detuned (smaller cam, more restrictive intake manifold) version of the Z06 motor, but we shall see.
godwhomismike Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 holy horse f***er!!!! those wheels are f***ing gross. They look like ricer wheels. Ugh!!! Those are the type of wheel you are not supposed to put on a muscle car.
rodan Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 I don't think you're going to see the new muscle cars from Chevy and Dodge come in any lighter than the Mustang. I've always been a Mustang guy, and I'm starting to warm up to the new body style, but they're just so damn heavy. My '89 LX weighed 3000! It's pretty sad when our Legacys weigh less than these porker muscle cars...
psi365 Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 I don't at all support it, but if someone is willing to pay stupid amounts of money over sticker to be the first on their block to have one.......I say you're an idiot. One major difference between the 03-05 Cobras and the GT500 is the name Shelby. Even though he probably had little to no involvement with it putting Carrol Shelby's name on it pretty much made it an instant classic/collecter car. I've noticed in the last ten years or so Shelby Mustang prices at least doubled and a lot of the big block Shelby's are now 6 figures. As far as telling dealrs what to sell them for, corperate can only suggest it. Legally the dealer's can sell them for whatever they want and Ford corperate can't do anything about it other then threaten the dealer. I was at a SUbie dealer a few months ago and saw a new 06 LGT spec B sitting there with an addition window sticker on it. IT had two additional charges....environmental package $1400 and regional adjustment $1700 for a grand total of $39,800 sticker price. Last week they had the same car advertised for $31,000.
lucas569 Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 "The first pull was a disappointingly low 382 RWHP" wtf id be happy with that!
Steiner Posted August 17, 2006 Author Posted August 17, 2006 holy horse f***er!!!! those wheels are f***ing gross. They look like ricer wheels. Ugh!!! Those are the type of wheel you are not supposed to put on a muscle car. Styles change along with the years. Speaking of rice, how's this for irony? http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/plymouth-superbird/images/plymouth-superbird-1a.jpg Experience is something you don't get until right after you needed it.
IwannaSportSedan Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 "The first pull was a disappointingly low 382 RWHP" wtf id be happy with that! On most things... maybe. IF you'd just spent almost 60k with taxes and license on a supercharged "500hp" 5.4 DOHC V8... I think perhaps you'd wonder where your money went... There probably is more to be had there, the modular blocks can be real powerhouses if done right... If the supercharger is such a pain, then put a cobra or P51 intake on it, and twin turbocharge the thing. Same low-compression motor, different method of shoveling air... THEN see what happens. Didn't somebody twin turbo a Ford GT with the similar 4-cam 5.4? Still, putting it down through a live axle may be good at the strip with a locking diff. For the street, not so much. 40-60k for a tractor. nice. Meh.
rodan Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 ISS - I don't want to start a war here, but I've got to point out an inconsistency: you complain that Subaru won't listen to the community regarding building cars, I agree with you as I have many of the same complaints. However, you bash Ford for not going to IRS in the Mustang. They stayed with the live axle because that's what the Mustang performance community overwhelmingly wanted...you should be applauding Ford for listening to their enthusiasts...
godwhomismike Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 IRS + Mustang = teh suck Live axles make launching easier without all the wheel hop of the mustang IRS.
IwannaSportSedan Posted August 18, 2006 Posted August 18, 2006 Granted, Ford listened to their drag racer customers. The thing is, what about the 80% of cars being driven exclusively on the street? Plus, I believe it was mostly a cost issue, and they saved money with the 8.8 live axle. BTW, there are fixes for the cobra IRS wheel hop issue. Plus, an IRS designed into the S197 chassis would likely not have that problem, either... so comparing it to an un-fix-modded 99+ cobra IRS isn't exactly fair. Corvettes and Vipers (IIRC on the Viper) have IRS, GTO has IRS... and they are probably drag raced just as much as Mustangs are. The thing is, FRPP has handling and power packages... why not offer a drag pack with a three or four link solid axle replacement for those modding for the drag strip, anyway? OR Ford could offer IRS in an alternate model. Boss, Mach 1, this new Shelby GT... something. Mustang GT could keep the live axle, and one of the other models could get IRS. Not even the over-hyped and very expensive GT500 has IRS, though. Even if they build a modern running and looking car as a Mercury variant... something. IF I were looking for a new coupe, it would not be a Mustang, due to the inferior handling of a live axle, no matter how good. (contact patches still cannot move in relation to each other, no matter what the suspension links look like...) I'd be looking into G35c, or even a GTO or something RWD with decent handling, or at least the potential for it. Maybe even a Cayman S or BMW Z4 Coupe or M3, or something else someday. If I were looking for a Mustang specifically, it would not be new. 99+ DOHC Cobra or Saleen, or a fox body resto-mod project car. At least a DOHC/IRS setup comes included, or can be added, and modded to work pretty well, and are less heavy than the new Mustang. With a live axle, I can't even consider a new Shelby, or any other new Mustang. I am not really a drag racer, and drive pretty much exclusively on the street. IF I were to go to a track somewhere, it would be a road course, where IRS is even more applicable. It will be interesting to see if the new Camaro comes with IRS, because the Challenger WILL, since it already is a part of the LX platform, and will likely stay for LY. They are all still porkers, though.3750-4500lbs is heavy for a two door car, no matter how much horsepower. Handling suffers.
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