whitetiger Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 +1 the damper is more important than the spring. Thats where the perfomace is. You have to pick the strut construction and valving type to match your application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 understand what the coilover's job is intended to do.. look at the style it's designed and understand why one is designed differently than the other, which will help you decide what fits your needs.. dont let spring rates fool you, as they are known to do that from time to time to people.. also do some research on the valving of the shock (which is the real back bone of the suspension to keep you as connected to the road as long as possible). Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CombatCQB Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I agree with understanding the valving of the shock. My application is mainly competition autox with some track. As I'm reading descriptions of all the different coilovers, the basic features don't seem that hard to compare. I plan to start with a monotube shock that will adjust compression/rebound together and linear springs. I'm looking at Ksport or Megan to start with. So now I need to look at how each one can benefit my application. The two pieces of data I feel I can use are shock dyno and spring rate. My understanding is that the shock's adjustable range will determine what spring rates best suit the shock. But if the shock can be valved to match the spring, that lead me to think that I need to know what spring rates will work best for my application. This makes sense to me since I've always thought the spring is what's doing most of the work when cornering while the shock prevents it from oscillating. The only other criteria I have yet to research is reliability and servicability. I don't want to get stuck with a coilover that need constant repair and very difficult to send for rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CombatCQB Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I haven't eliminated the JIC coilover from my list yet, but it is on the expensive side. I might switch to it later if I find the Ksport or Megan not meeting my needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSI Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 You mentioned 3 shocks above. All three react the same. Especially k-sport and Megan. Jic is slightly different. But none do compression and rebound together. I believe they are all rebound only. -mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CombatCQB Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 The Megan site did not mention specifically, but Ksport Kontrol Pro's product page says: "The dampening adjusts compression and rebound simultaneously for ease of adjustment" JIC also specifies: "the dampers have 15-way compression and rebound adjustability" I guess I can see why the spring rate might be of lower importance. If tuning the shock and spring is an ongoing process after the coilover purchase, then selecting a coilover is really just comparing which shocks has the right features for the application. That will lead to the purchase decision followed by shock and spring tuning. So if we take away the spring rate and valving criteria, I then need to ask questions like: What is the diameter of the shock? What valving technology is used? What type of gas or liquid is used for dampening? Rebuild procedure? What is the max length of travel? Is this the direction you guys were hinting? Anything else you guys would recommend comparing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviemadness Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 what about best overall daily driving ride comfort? will it never be as plush as stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotRaceN Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 It was mentioned that HKS carries (2) setups for the legacy GTI havent seen anything from HKS..can someone specifiy what model or a link that showing HKS coilovers for our cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 what about best overall daily driving ride comfort? will it never be as plush as stock? I think the DMS coil-overs with variable rate springs front and rear and top notch dampers will come very close to stock as far as comfort goes. IMO variable rate springs FTW for best compromise between comfort and performance, and of course you need exellent shocks. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lie495s14 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 For drifting.................. what would you experts recommand ? as cheap as possible. It's my daily drive, stock everything now, on the high way alot but i'd like to learn to do drifting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 For drifting.................. what would you experts recommand ? as cheap as possible. It's my daily drive, stock everything now, on the high way alot but i'd like to learn to do drifting. weld your rear shocks and weld your rear diff to full lock. if you're serious about learning, you dont need anything, you just have to learn how to drive the car. Once you understand car dynamics, you can drift anything, and I mean ANYTHING, without any mods needed.. the mods just make it easier to control the car (but you need to learn how to control the car first). Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 For drifting.................. what would you experts recommand ? as cheap as possible. It's my daily drive, stock everything now, on the high way alot but i'd like to learn to do drifting. lol, buy a 240? Might be easier to learn on a RWD car.. -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSI Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 What's the saying 'sell snow to eskimos' ? Yes they advertise, but test them on a dyno and it is less than 2% differentiation from full hard to full soft on the compression side. It is much easier to control rebound strokes then compression. I apologize, it does on paper change both settings, but in reality you would not notice. Again, this may vary SLIGHTLY from company to company with typical sub 2000$ suspension kits. I have to add about the 240sx for drifting .... what about a RWD conversion that we offer ? heheheheheheheheheheheehehehe I am the devil !! -mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lie495s14 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 lol, buy a 240? Might be easier to learn on a RWD car.. i crashed my 240sx this March. only drifted in rain and snow(in front of a cop car.lol) weld your rear shocks and weld your rear diff to full lock. what do you mean by weld ? i find Megan coilover fit my budge, will it help me learn control of my car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lie495s14 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I have to add about the 240sx for drifting .... what about a RWD conversion that we offer ? heheheheheheheheheheheehehehe I am the devil !! -mark you seriouse !?! that's more like D1 style. I can't imagine what it'd be like to have all the power to the 2 rear wheels. is it possible to switch between 2wd and 4wd with your conversion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 i crashed my 240sx this March. only drifted in rain and snow(in front of a cop car.lol) what do you mean by weld ? i find Megan coilover fit my budge, will it help me learn control of my car? I think Zenonk was kidding about welding your rear struts (at least I hope so). Drifting an AWD car on pavement is not for the faint of heart or the inexperienced. It's easier on low traction surfaces such as dirt/gravel/snow, but if you want to drift D1 style you really need a RWD car. If you are dead set on drifting your LGT I can do a custom stiffer spring rate on a set of Megan Racing coilovers for you that will make it easier to step out the back end of the car. As for the 2WD conversion that MSI is talking about, it is not something that will allow you to switch back and worth from 2WD to AWD. They are talking about permanently making the car 2WD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
integroid Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 For drifting.................. what would you experts recommand ? as cheap as possible. It's my daily drive, stock everything now, on the high way alot but i'd like to learn to do drifting. You are better off buying a RWD car to learn how to drift. AWD cars would not be your first choice of cars to drift in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rougeben83 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 You picked the wrong car if you want to drift. Get an old Fox-body Mustang or GM ponycar of the same year with a V8 and you'll learn all you need to know about controlling the rear end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lie495s14 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 are you saying AWD is Undriftable ? even if i put shitty tires on rear ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownBoy Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 are you saying AWD is Undriftable ? even if i put shitty tires on rear ? Get a really big rear swaybar, you'll spin your car out...so I guess if you can control it..you'll be good. Who thinks a "I spun my car into a ditch" thread is on the horizon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 You can't spin the rear tires of an AWD while the front just roll at road speed. Having an even distribution of power is kind of the whole point of AWD, drifting is not. Frankly, I hate to be the one to suggest this, but I'm guessing that Lie495S14 can't be more than 18 years old, and even that is debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lie495s14 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 i'm a well adjusted human being. if you guys all say that AWD is not for drifting, then i'll just forget about it. (what would happen if i take out both front drive axels?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottybue Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 so much for a "good coilover" thread... now rocking the 2007 Mini Cooper S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darcas Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 :confused: seriously ??i'm a well adjusted human being. if you guys all say that AWD is not for drifting, then i'll just forget about it. (what would happen if i take out both front drive axels?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsontuning Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 You can convert the car to rear wheel drive, but then you have defeated the purpose in buying a Legacy or any Subaru in general. Pick-up an old MR-2, 240, or a Z car. If you really want a cool RWD pickup an 3rd gen RX-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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