Ridgeracer Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 Since we all now know its coming with hologen projector headlights for the low beam, I figured if it was an H7 bulb we could just buy an H7 bulb adapter for the D2S xenon bulb. I already have a pair of bulbs, ballasts, and a wire harness ready. I just have to get the adapters whenever I buy the car....Any auto headlight experts with some advice..? BTW....is this car coming std. with foglights too?....if so sweeeet.... :D "Gimme mines Balboa...Gimme mines".....Clubber Lang - Mr. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girorin Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 Can you just buy lightbulbs that are ultra white or have that blue tint to it for the projection lights that come with the Legacy? or are the xenon much different or better?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team23jordan Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 ^you could but its not as bright as real HID if i can find JDM HID part for it i probably will get that Perrin BIG maf intake Perrin Turbo Inlet HKS SSQV BOV Megan Racing header with UP (ceramic coated) HKS DP (WRX) DMH E-cutout Custom 3" catback UTEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgeracer Posted February 11, 2004 Author Share Posted February 11, 2004 The tinted bulbs don't last that long and are cheap. They also don't have the same light output as xenons... "Gimme mines Balboa...Gimme mines".....Clubber Lang - Mr. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team23jordan Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 ^word Perrin BIG maf intake Perrin Turbo Inlet HKS SSQV BOV Megan Racing header with UP (ceramic coated) HKS DP (WRX) DMH E-cutout Custom 3" catback UTEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titsataki Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 you guys are aware that these kits are illegal. So if you want a a kit beter buy now :) I think with a nice harness to make sure no voltage drop exists will suffice for me. Unless offcourse the lights are horrible. Cheers Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axis008 Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 [quote name='Ridgeracer']BTW....is this car coming std. with foglights too?....if so sweeeet.... :D[/quote] Yes, the Legacy 2.5GT comes standard with foglights. I found this out in the specs. for the Legacy on the need-desire website. -ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titsataki Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 [quote name='axis008'][quote name='Ridgeracer']BTW....is this car coming std. with foglights too?....if so sweeeet.... :D[/quote] Yes, the Legacy 2.5GT comes standard with foglights. I found this out in the specs. for the Legacy on the need-desire website.[/quote] as long as the foggies are better than the WRX ones. For the freaking size they are almost worthless. I wish there were driving light instead. Cheers Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kage Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 I plan on actually seeing how well the headlights function before making that kind of decision. Xenons have become just a "metoo" feature, and lots of people just assume they illuminate better just because they cost more. Also, people are enamored of the light color (hence all the blue bulbs out there). A well designed halogen projector lamp can throw out as much light as an HID unit at a fraction of the cost, so I'm personally glad we don't have to pay for the HIDs (assuming the halogens are good). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tide Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 The new lights are tons better than what I currently have, so Im already stoked. HID if it were an option, I'd probably get, but aftermarket... well we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 I'm impressed with my Sylvania XV's so far. Had Silverstars until one burn't out after like 11 months or something (no didn't have reciept for 1-year warranty.) Put the XV's in which are less than half the cost, better light output with not as sharp a drop-off. Were great on the ice for night ice race the other week! I'd like HID's, but I guess it's more of a form over function thing until I truly compare the two. If the lamps are as good as everyone says they are, I'd probably be happy with just a set of <$20 XV bulbs to enhance the vision. Remember for those who want to import JDM lamps, it may screw up your vision as they are mean't for the opposite side of the road. IIRC road lamps will point towards center where high beams will point towards side, opposite of ours because of driving side of road. If you get any international lamps, get EDM ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtguy Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Hey Nick, if you tilt your fogs up just a bit, you'd find that they make very good driving lights. There's a Philips head screw at the upper inside corner of the fog. Clockwise is up, counterclockwise is down. You can adjust them for a very nice throw/fill pattern that augments your headlamps. As long as the Legacy takes an H-series bulb, as much as a 40% lighting improvement is but an order from PowerBulbs (in the UK) away. Philips VisionPlus bulbs in H-series are the bee's knees, sufficiently good that you won't miss HID. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titsataki Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 [quote name='gtguy']Hey Nick, if you tilt your fogs up just a bit, you'd find that they make very good driving lights. There's a Philips head screw at the upper inside corner of the fog. Clockwise is up, counterclockwise is down. You can adjust them for a very nice throw/fill pattern that augments your headlamps. As long as the Legacy takes an H-series bulb, as much as a 40% lighting improvement is but an order from PowerBulbs (in the UK) away. Philips VisionPlus bulbs in H-series are the bee's knees, sufficiently good that you won't miss HID. Kevin[/quote] I have to try that. althought I have to admit that I used my foggies about 6 times the last 3 years. I agree the H series bulbs are much better than the 900x type... Cheers Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerdave Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Subaru could just make this easy and have HID's be an *option* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyoneway Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 If HID is not a option I will buy aftermarket. I'm planning to HID both low beam and foglights. It's cheap nowdays and easy to install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team23jordan Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 it pisses me off how HIDs are gonna be illegal next year soo stupid stupid nerdy people are just jealous cause their light isnt as bright as HIDs :evil: anyways how can i buy HID for legacy on the internet??? Perrin BIG maf intake Perrin Turbo Inlet HKS SSQV BOV Megan Racing header with UP (ceramic coated) HKS DP (WRX) DMH E-cutout Custom 3" catback UTEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 Outlawed next year? I still haven't seen anyone bring up proof of this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerdave Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 Yeah, highly doubt that. So many cars have them as standard now, that if that were to happen there would be a BIG outcry from mfg in the media. Just another urban legend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtguy Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 Aftermarket HID systems are the matter in question, and IMHO, those should be made illegal. HID, in a reflector setup, splashes light all over the place. The result is annoyance for some, a dangerous condition for elderly and other light-sensitive drivers. HIDs are fashion, and have minimal advantage over a properly-designed halogen system. But generations of drivers, weaned on woeful halogen reflector setups, and the nigh-ubiquitous 9007 housing, got used to poor light. HIDs came along, and suddenly it was "Wow, that's a LOT better." Yes, it is. But compared to an H7 projector halogen setup, HIDs are a fairly minimal gain, for a lot more expense. Blue bulbs should go into the trash heap, right alongside aftermarket HID setups. The problem is that people compare them to junk, and think they're better, which isn't necessarily the case. Almost anything is better than junk. When I installed my Prodrive projectors on the WRX, my reaction was "Wow, that's rocking!" I installed some VisionPlus bulbs in H7, and was even happier. But that's compared to, as we all know, the inferior 9007 setup on the bugeye WRXes. The newer, H-series projectors on the redesigned WRXes should and do light the road much better. Now, a poorly aligned halogen setup can be just as annoying as an HID system. But because of the Kelvin ratings of the two systems, an elderly or light-sensitive driver will be much more incapacitated by the HID output, than the misaligned halogen one. The fundamental problem isn't HIDs or not, it's poor headlight design vs. good headlight design. Finally, I would wager that if HIDs were outlawed period, you wouldn't see squat from car manufacturers, who would be happy to install lower-cost halogen projector systems in their cars. Manufacturers are putting HID systems on because people want them, and their job is to give people what they want, so that they can sell more cars. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ha-evolution Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 It is the sale of aftermarket HIDs that are to be outlawed - not all HID lighting systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgeracer Posted February 15, 2004 Author Share Posted February 15, 2004 good point gtguy.......i would not recommend anyone to install HIDs in a reflective based headlight system. Its just an annoyance to the driving public out there. H7 projector systems are a very big improvement over the 900X but i beg to differ about H7 being comparative to the performance of a well designed HID base projector system...For starters, an H7 bulb rated at 55W only puts out 1500 lm of light vs. a 35W D2S bulb which puts out 3200 lm...Now how effective is the projector in converting that output into useful light is another question but over the years i have seen some very good OEM HID projectors. "Gimme mines Balboa...Gimme mines".....Clubber Lang - Mr. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ha-evolution Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 Here's a nice summary from Sema about what the NHTSA is doing in regards to HIDs: NHTSA’s current estimated timetable for action: · Publish proposed rule to regulate certain front-mounted auxiliary lamps (ex: fog lamps) in early 2004 · Publish proposed rule for headlamp mounting height in early 2004 · Reach a decision on how to address HIDs and other advanced lighting sources in early 2004 (and probably issue a proposed rule) · Issue a proposed rule to regulate HID-knock-offs in early 2004 · Reach a decision on how to address headlamp aiming issues in mid 2004 Found here: [URL]http://www.sema.org/content/?ID=25405[/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ha-evolution Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 Another interesting thread regarding this subject on NASIOC: [URL]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=455815&perpage=25&pagenumber=1[/URL] Even includes input from a NHTSA employee (Mr108). -td Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtguy Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 [quote name='Ridgeracer']good point gtguy.......i would not recommend anyone to install HIDs in a reflective based headlight system. Its just an annoyance to the driving public out there. H7 projector systems are a very big improvement over the 900X but i beg to differ about H7 being comparative to the performance of a well designed HID base projector system...For starters, an H7 bulb rated at 55W only puts out 1500 lm of light vs. a 35W D2S bulb which puts out 3200 lm...Now how effective is the projector in converting that output into useful light is another question but over the years i have seen some very good OEM HID projectors.[/quote] Agreed. My Prodrive/VisionPlus projector setup isn't that far off an Audi or Acura HID setup. BMW is better, Mercedes is best of all. I also wonder if the Hella optics in my Prodrives have something to do with how well they convert output to light. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtguy Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 [quote name='ha-evolution']Another interesting thread regarding this subject on NASIOC: [URL]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=455815&perpage=25&pagenumber=1[/URL] Even includes input from a NHTSA employee (Mr108). -td[/quote] Wow. That thread reminded me of why I don't visit NASIOC any more. :lol: The input/comments from the NHTSA employee regarding aftermarket HID systems were accurate, apt and interesting. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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