hondas123 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 I don't think anyone should have a reason to doubt it anymore. Congrats. - The Mortgage Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mblock66 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 I would like to see what the car does with those mods on 93 or 91 though. I think the 98 octane is allowing you to run super lean but safe with the KN and headers. If you dropped to 93 you might see a big problem with no EM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnet-Red-In-De Posted April 6, 2006 Author Share Posted April 6, 2006 i run 93 everywhere and i have had these parts for months and no problems . i throw the no cat light every once in a while but i got the fix for that yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDTURBO Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 thank you. 1 believer . everybody read that ^ and i will still meet the rest of you haters. Ok, since you're turning on the charm I'll return it in kind... No way in hell you're getting the times you are by being a "better driver" John f-ing Force couldn't drive my car and get a 109 trap. NO WAY the mods listed can get you to 109 with stock ecu... I would LOVE to see your car, if you're willing to come to bel air, how's tomorrow evening? I can meet you somewhere in town? I will be at Outback in Bel air, at around 8-ish. If I can take a look under your hood, and run a OBD2 log, I will STFU instantly and buy you a beer if I find you're running stock ecu, turbo, and boost. 2012 Forester XT. Stage 2+ Retired from Racing. I used to build FMIC and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDTURBO Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Let me add, I'm not saying you havent, or can't run the times you claim. I'm just perplexed by your times on what you claim to be stock tune, and boost. The car with you in it will still weight roughly 3400lbs. 98 wont do much other than protect against Knock. If you want to meet up tomorrow, or wait until Friday, Friday I will DEFINATELY meet you at the track since apparently your car has been blessed by God himself, I GOTTA see it in action. 2012 Forester XT. Stage 2+ Retired from Racing. I used to build FMIC and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 +1. I raise the BS flag till we see a slip and vid and of the said "amazing" run. A great driver can net a lower ET, but the mph is mostly about the car. A nearly 110 mph trap is physically impossible from a VF40 running stock boost level. FYI, a 110 mph trap equals about 346 whp in a 3350# car. That is well beyond the flow capabilities of the VF40. The 98 octane fuel won't even make a big difference since the car isn't tuned for it. For a a stock EM, stock turbo LGT to runs the times and traps claimed it would have to be 20 degress out, below sea level and a hurricane level tailwind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mblock66 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Hmm maybe there is a manual control booster on that thing that he doesn't know about? Or maybe even a turbo swap? I don't think he bought it new so maybe it has some work done. Edit: My mistake he bought it new What were the other cars running there that night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTM 525 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 The big thing here is the trap speed. That MPH would mean that car beyond any question HAS to be making 300WHP. Is there a dyno nearby you Rob? I'd be the first to kick in $ for some pulls on this factory freak. We all kick in a couple bucks and go get it on some rollers. 300WHP at the DA he raced in I'd still think it's hard to trap almost 110. I believe the car ran the numbers he stated but the mods list is where my belief stops like hitting a brick wall. True to words above your car has been blessed by the hand of God himself if those truly are the only mods. That MPH IS GIANT. I know this must really be annoying to Garnet and trust me we are not claiming you are a liar or cheater it's just these numbers and mods do not add up. You picked up almost 4mph since your last track outing. How in gods name does that happen? You'd need another solid 20-25WHP to add that 4mph on top of and already astounding 106+ you ran the other night to begin with. Rob should meetup with you and get that car on a dyno, and get some logs on it. What you are saying essentially is a full exhuast from the motor back to the mufflers is getting you "about" 85 SOLID WHP. Exhuast companies should prepare for the onslaught of orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scans007 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 <-- Waiting for MD to verify........ I think I'll be lucky to put down around that when I finally get to the track and we know the list in my rid putting down 311whp, with the Sti VF39 Edmund put down 13.03 @106.5mph, and with his new setup he's running alky and I don't think he'll put up those numbers.... Maybe the tracks timing stuff was "off" that day...... Have you ever had your ride dyno'd? And if this is true.....well hell, your car should go in for experimental testing cuz it's a freak of nature, and I'd be jealous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mblock66 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Yeah that is why I am saying what did other cars run. If there were Chevy Caviler's running 13.9's then it is the track haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTM 525 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Cecil is a notoriously "fast" track. One of the fastest on the east coast along with Atco. When I say fast I mean you can see a tenth or so over lets say E-Town on the same night. These numbers are simply out of the realm of reality here with those mods. I say again HE PICKED UP JUST OVER 3.5 mph from last Friday to yesterday. How? The more I think about this the more I say get it on a dyno. That MPH of almost 110 is good for better than the 12.64 he ran wich to me means monster power. Power beyond what a VF40 can dish out on it's best day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneakychaos Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 well I met up the driver of this car last night at cecil and after talking to him, he mentioned that he was on the fourms and there was a big controversy about his run times. So I jumped on here and starting reading the threads. Here is what I have determined after last night and reading these forums. The run times are correct he did run a 12.6, running a stock TMIC, stock turbo, and no EM. The fuel light was on (but who goes to the track on a full tank of gas?), and this dude was killing it. Steve said that there was some clutch problems plauging him on Friday and that was most likley the culprit of his "SLOWER" times. We auctually left at the same time and hit 95 back towards DE. This car is fast! I have an STI with a few things done + a Tune and im putting down 307whp. and this car was not going anywhere, for a Legacy this thing pulled hard. Harder than a fat chick trying to get some more bed sheets (you know what im talking about!). Even if Cecil is Notorioulsy fast, that would also mean that the dude from maryland turbo solutions, MDTURBO's, run time (the fastest on a stock turbo?) was still beaten. Both run times were from the same track. so Garnet-Red-In-DE deserves some credit and has a sleeper that we all wish we had. Im also more than confident that he will show up at Outback and be getting not only a free beer, but a free meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamie700 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Subscribing. Please get that thing on a dyno and run some logs. Maybe I will skip the AP and concentrate on exhaust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccorry Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 I'd love to know the story on this one...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDTURBO Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Well said KTM... I guess we're all lot perplexed and a little annoyed by your justifcation of times just as you "being a better driver" as the reason for your excellent times... Your 60' shows that your not really killing the launch so your MPH has to be made up top end, and we all can't figure out how your supposedly stock vf40 w/ ecm is making a 109 trap. sneakychaos, I am by no means the fastest vf40 car anymore... my times were surpased by a couple of ProTuned cars. For the stock timing map I was running, my 12.9 run isn't bad at all, but 12.6 on 13.5psi is unbelieveable... literally. I'll be at Outback tonight, and am only offering a free beer (sorry no dinner, lol) OR I'll be at Cecil Friday night... hopefully you can meet up then as I'd like to see it run. Also, you should go Saturday as the prep is 10x better and you could probably get another 1/10th outta that thing. 2012 Forester XT. Stage 2+ Retired from Racing. I used to build FMIC and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTM 525 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 This car is fast! I have an STI with a few things done + a Tune and im putting down 307whp. and this car was not going anywhere, for a Legacy this thing pulled hard.. There we have it. Amazingly this Legacy is maiking over 300WHP with the said mods how Stage-2 STI's dont commonly run those kinda numbers at the track with a bigger VF39 pressing air into it. What does your STI trap at Cecil typically? 110? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Maybe they put the experimental H-6 TT in by mistake ? Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 IB wastegate hose is pinched and turbo running max boost all the time can you say engine go boom? My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccorry Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Motors always run better..... right before they blow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mblock66 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 All i gotta say is i need to get down to cecil hahaha E-town is just too slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTM 525 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 It's not about the motor blowing up or wastegate lines but rather how this car generates the WHP to run a 110 trap with the listed mods on a VF40. I am literally dumbfounded here. I guess this is a low 12sec car at 112+ easy with some EM? Those are approaching TD06 20G numbers on STI's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 stuck wasgate can give boost levels of over 25psi easy...that will get the HP numbers required for these times and speeds, but the engine and turbo are also going to blow up soon. The 98octane fuel helps alot here. My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDTURBO Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 I doubt it's running 20psi+ as the fuel would be cut by the ecu for overboost protection. gt98 (I'm assuming sunoco) is 95 motor octane and isn't all that. It just prevents knock better than 93, which in theory can allow the ecu to run more timing and/or boost, but the ecu will still base the timing off of the base maps, which if untouched, will not get him 300+ whp. Thus the dilemma. Remember folks, stock we come with about 220 at the wheels. 2012 Forester XT. Stage 2+ Retired from Racing. I used to build FMIC and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mblock66 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Not even 220. Most stock MT's are putting down like 200-205 WHP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTM 525 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Speak for yourself Rob I made 194 LOL. Dyno's vary we know that. Mweiner you think the VF40 could actually feed enough air to a 2.5 to sustain 25PSI? I'd think even with the WG welded shut boost will fade hard beyond 3500rpms maybe i'm wrong on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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