mbacis Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Maybe I'm blind, but I haven't seen any posts about this yet. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=109487 They must not have experienced the dreaded 'limp mode'. They also metion that the MS6 has 50% of power going to the rear under normal circumstances and can transfer up to 100%?! Not what I've read before. Edit: I should have put this in the "other cars" section. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt_ltd Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 spec b sucks This Space For Rent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direavenger Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 They also metion that the MS6 has 50% of power going to the rear under normal circumstances and can transfer up to 100%?! Not what I've read before. Me neither. I was told that it uses a Haldex system, which means it is 100% to the front wheels until slippage is detected. An electronic clutch pack can throw up to 50% of the torque to the rear wheels. The Dude - Two inches and counting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spec B 127 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Maybe Edmunds had good enough gas to not put the MS6 in limp mode. I still love my Spec B nevertheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geddyup Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I heard the mazda has a huge trunk. Great storage for a cooler full of dry ice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkalbarc Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 the MS6 is just the better car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallispec Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I heard the mazda has a huge trunk. Great storage for a cooler full of dry ice At first i thought you said tank, as in gas tank -- My Mazda6i has a HUGE tank -- i'm pretty sure i was able to fill up with 19 gallons at one point. I went from VA to boston (500 Miles) on a single tank and without the gas light coming on. but yes -- it has a huge trunk as well. (Larger than the LGT's) -- AND, the rear seats fold down in the MS6 (after some persuasion and brace removal) -- an option not available at all on the legacy. (minus getting a wagon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallispec Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 the MS6 is just the better car. pretty much anything beats the legacy.. it sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Pimp Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 MS6 dosen't have Haldex, its a homebrew Mazda system. And the Edmunds offices are near L.A. which means that they would only be able to get 91 octane I would think. Anyway, all they said was the Subaru needs a set of decent sways on it....yawn big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direavenger Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 ^^^It does at least function the same as haldex, no? This is what most people here at lgt.com have posted. The Dude - Two inches and counting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilh Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Mazda's own web page says the AWD system varies power from 100/0 to 50/50 (front/rear): http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=modelsMain&vehicleCode=MS6 Click on "Drivetrain" and then "AWD" up near the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FameMax Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 if you look at edmunds 0-60 numbers and 1/4 mile times for all the cars they test as a whole, there numbers are usually much slower then anything iv done with a stock car and other mags for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reagan Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I am still in the market and have recently driven both cars. To me the differences are clear. The MS6 is MUCH sportier while the Spec B is more of a Grand Touring car (more mature). The road noise was louder in the MS6 and it was much closer to my Z in terms of volume, handling, and ride. However, I am looking for all of that motor with a better ride, quieter inside, and a nicer interior. That is why I am trying to buy an LGT. If you just want a better performer in the curves - no comparison. Buy the MS6. Because I live in Florida, that is not important. We only have 11 curves in 13,582 miles of roads. If you are closer to 40 (like me), the Spec B (actually, the LGT) makes more sense. One thing I have noticed about Subarus (at least this one) is that they really don't have any of the cool, high tech features. The MS6 has a "key" that is like a credit card. It just goes in your wallet. As long as you have your wallet, just push a button and the door is open. Push another button and the car is started. On top of that, the MS6 also has stability control. It is too bad that you have to accept less in these areas with a Subaru than if you bought most any other car brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut Ro Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I am getting close to the time when I will be making a decision on what to trade my WRX on. I too have driven the LGT and MPS6 on extensive test drives and prefer the LGT for many reasons other than the fancy stuff the MPS6 offers. During my test drives I went to my favourite set of twisties and I found the MPS6 to understeer a lot, just like any front-wheel-drive car. Then something weird happens, a bright yellow light on the dash signals that you have wheel slip and the all-wheel-drive system' transfers the torque to the rear axle very unexpectedly you go to an oversteering condition. The back end slides out and you need to counter act with the steering inputs to correct. I was able to make the adjustment quickly. This did not impress me one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWD_Rules3830 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 i dont really think the Mazda is the better car... Edmunds obviously didnt test the cars on less than perfect condition ... you get that car on a wet or snowny road and lets see who shines ... the fake AWD of the Mazda or the bulletproof AWD of our subaru and plus all the subie needs is a sway bar ... I love my car ... basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matters Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Mazda's re-sale values not to hot either by comparison with the Suby. At least all the way down hereeeeeee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWD_Rules3830 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 and a Subaru will last forever lol I love my car ... basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopless Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I think I would trust the judgement and experience of Road and Track running the cars around an autocross track over a run around the block by Edmunds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWD_Rules3830 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 can i mention that the MS6's interior is just BOREING I love my car ... basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scans007 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I've looked at MS6 a long time ago when it was a concept and I had my Mazda6........ Straight from a mazda freak who I forwardered this thread for a good read: MAZDALVR: i'd take the legacy over the ms any day MAZDALVR: way better awd MAZDALVR: a few minor mods and they'd handle the same anyway MAZDALVR: the mazda speeds AWD is kinda a failure MAZDALVR: they forget to mention though MAZDALVR: that hte base ms6 MAZDALVR: comes with cloth MAZDALVR: i'd take the subie Don't forget the mazda speed isn't a limited edition car (edit: I guess they are only making 1000 - just informed) ....and dealers have to be a mazdaspeed dealer to carry them (which costs them more money to become one) My buddies dealer Subaru/Mazda said they will never become a MS Dealer cuz it's too expensive..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direavenger Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 ^^^What does your friend mean by the MS6's AWD being a failure? I know it is a significant'y different setup than ours, but I thought it was at least functional. Is there a mechanical/design defect? The Dude - Two inches and counting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scans007 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Just means that they way the designed their "AWD Sysem" is a horrible design and is still basically a front wheel drive car that transfers power to the rear to make it an AWD, Subaru's AWD is far superior....... If you took these two same setups, put them in the snow, and retest.....the MS6 would've come in 2nd in pretty much everything exept the looks cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallispec Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Just means that they way the designed their "AWD Sysem" is a horrible design and is still basically a front wheel drive car that transfers power to the rear to make it an AWD, Subaru's AWD is far superior....... If you took these two same setups, put them in the snow, and retest.....the MS6 would've come in 2nd in pretty much everything exept the looks cat. to call it horrible is over reacting in my opinion. Pretty much every automaker out there uses a haldex system for their AWD. (even subaru in the lower models). It works exactly how it's supposed to, and was never meant for serious off roading or extreme terrain. and in some way's its better than the symetrical AWD becuase on the highway you're only need to drive 2 wheels, so thats half the drivetrain losses. I'd take the syemtrical AWD over a haldex system any day, but the point that i'm trying to make is that it does work - and that it seems to be the least worrisome aspect of the MS6. (behind the engine, heat soak, bump in the hood, ugly rear end, etc..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilh Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 and in some way's its better than the symetrical AWD becuase on the highway you're only need to drive 2 wheels, so thats half the drivetrain losses.How do you figure that? Just because the engine isn't driving the rear wheels when in FWD mode, the rear wheels have to then "drive" the rear axles, differential, and driveshaft up to the center "differential." The only way you would save driveline losses is if the rear wheels were disconnected from their half shafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slissner Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 "(even subaru in the lower models)." What models? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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