hogmeat Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 To save some wear and tear on my leg and my clutch system, I've been gently pulling the car out of gear when rolling up to a stop. Could this be bad at all? I mean, when you are slowing, but still going like 10+, the gear box doesnt want to let the stick go into Neutral, and i don't "pull" it. But when the RPM drop below 1000, and below 10mph, you can just "nudge" it into N. No sticking in the gearbox, no noise, and feels just like you have the clutch in. Any longterms problems that could arise from this? I'm pleasantly surprised... It was most certainly worth the couple bucks and 10 mins of my time. CLICK HERE FOR THE HOGZAUST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 The wear from pressing the clutch at such a slow speed would be extremely small. While it may not hurt anything I'll keep using the clutch just to be safe. I don't want to give it any excuses for screwing up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdt Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Actually, I've always wondered about if it is bad to pull it out of gear w/out the clutch. But to save wear and tear on the clutch, c'mon its almost like turning off the gauge sweep to keep it from wearing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mand3j Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 If your gentle about it, there's no harm done. I got about 70k on my 98 outback before I had to change out the clutch and I do a lot of city driving. So long as your revs are dropped low and you aren't forcing it. Its actually a process I use on my motorcycle too. In fact, I can upshift without clutching if I've got the clutch and engine speed matched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. CentralOhioSubarus Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 There is no good reason to do this. I seriously doubt you are saving your clutch at all. Only bad things can happen from this. I would recommend using your clutch properly. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwood Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 wear and tear on your leg?! getting out of the legacy game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Hogmeat, surely a man of your calibre can fabricate a small pneumatic cylinder to operate the clutch for you, then all you have to do is push a button to push the clutch in, and let go of it when you want to let it out. Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDTURBO Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I'm not at 30k and I need a new clutch disc. tooooo muchhhh booooost 2012 Forester XT. Stage 2+ Retired from Racing. I used to build FMIC and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper_Driver Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I've driven every manual car I've ever owned in a similar manor. I personally think it does save wear on the cluth, but I don't think it is really all that much. Much more important is ensuring you don't ride the clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLS Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Won't harm a thing if your doing it when it's fully syncronized. Same with clutchless shifting. If it's done correctly, it's no different than using the clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I do this too and had been wondering about it- now that I see Hogmeat doing it, I'd better stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windex Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Ok, my two and a half cents (from someone who's had to tear apart and fix a few)... In a modern synchromesh transmission/tansaxle, the syncro will have some sort of detent mechanism which holds the shift fork/car in gear. In addition, there is also a slight bevel cut on the syncro teeth which further enhances this hold when the teeth are loaded (accel and decel). If you pull the shift lever out of gear with any kind of load on the transmission, you will cause wear to the to the syncro teeth. A small amount, but then how often do you shift? If you manage to magically pull the car out of gear with no load whatsoever (perfect coast) then congrats, you did it - no wear on either the syncro or clutch. However, in practise, this is very difficult to pull of consistently. If you get it right, the lever will pull to neutral with no resistance whatsoever. If you pulled it out early or late, and you feel a little tug, then you have worn the teeth ever so slightly. Given that the clutch is a wear item which is easier to replace than the internal syncros, I personally don't pull the car out of gear without declutching. I also don't gear down (but that's a different thread altogether...) I file this technique as cool to impress friends once in a while (like clutchless shifting), but false economy in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 To save some wear and tear on my leg and my clutch system, I've been gently pulling the car out of gear when rolling up to a stop. Could this be bad at all? I mean, when you are slowing, but still going like 10+, the gear box doesnt want to let the stick go into Neutral, and i don't "pull" it. But when the RPM drop below 1000, and below 10mph, you can just "nudge" it into N. No sticking in the gearbox, no noise, and feels just like you have the clutch in. Any longterms problems that could arise from this? dont do it too often unless you know the synchros are aligned.. Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmeat Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 wear and tear on your leg?! Well, you know, it's not so much "wear and tear" it's more just "ease". I mean, when pulling up to a light, and you know your gonna wait, just drop it into N, and stop. Otherwise, it's Clutch-N-Unclutch. Yah, it's not that hard, but it's just a habit. There is ZERO tension on the stick, I mean, I'm goning 3-5 mph in maybe 3rd or lower. it just slips out. And no, the engine doesnt lug or stutter. You pull it out the moment before it would begin too... I'm pleasantly surprised... It was most certainly worth the couple bucks and 10 mins of my time. CLICK HERE FOR THE HOGZAUST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. CentralOhioSubarus Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Exactly, syncros on Subarus are notorious for going bad anyway. I'd rather replace a clutch any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_knoxville Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I also don't gear down (but that's a different thread altogether...) i can't speak for others, but i'm interested to hear more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-lo Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 if your left leg is tired, why not use the right? 258k miles - Stock engine/minor suspension upgrades/original shocks/rear struts replaced at 222k/4 passenger side wheel bearings/3 clutches/1 radiator/3 turbos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskiTrombone Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 i can't speak for others, but i'm interested to hear more . Need more info on why not to gear down and what exactly do you mean by gear down?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLS Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 There is ZERO tension on the stick, I mean, I'm goning 3-5 mph in maybe 3rd or lower. it just slips out. And no, the engine doesnt lug or stutter. You pull it out the moment before it would begin too... No harm here. Been doing this for 20+ years in various vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 "If you pulled it out early or late, and you feel a little tug, then you have worn the teeth ever so slightly." Uhuuhuuhhuuhuhhuh. -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Exactly, syncros on Subarus are notorious for going bad anyway. I'd rather replace a clutch any day. more like the pressure plate. Waiting for some Cusco Hyper Single for the BL/BP tranny. Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIZARD Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 "If you pulled it out early or late, and you feel a little tug, then you have worn the teeth ever so slightly." Uhuuhuuhhuuhuhhuh. +1 What bean sed... if you pull it out and feel a tug, her teeth may wear slightly. Never pull out late!! (although sometimes this is unavoidable) If it's your leg that's wearing out though, try the Automatic. Stage2.5376, TDC ProTune,blah blah blahhhh and....Alky/H20 injection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vahkil Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 . Need more info on why not to gear down and what exactly do you mean by gear down?!? Maybe he means when he's in 5th gear coming to a stop, he just goes straight to neutral as opposed to "gearing down" through the gears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveAttack Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 I have owned 4 manual cars. The highest mileage was a Toyota Corolla and I had 120K on the clutch. My last 2 cars I had 77K and 52K and I was on the stock clutch on both of them. I can't see really saving any wear and tear as I never did that and have always gotten high mileage out of the stock clutches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double-V Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Man, I have never had to change a clutch in any of my cars - 160k km then sold, 220k km then sold, and 166k km on the current car. Some people on here need to learn to drive stick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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