spieldawg Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 ..Or at least a prototype. The New York Times has an interesting snippet on the Subaru B5-TPH (Turbo Parallel Hybrid) concept from the Detroit Auto show. "Fuji Heavy Industries, the maker of Subarus, says the system will be tested in a Legacy beginning in 2007." Even more interesting is the supposed 362 lb-ft of torque produced between the engine and electric motor. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/10/automobiles/autospecial/subaru-b5.ready.html?ex=1137906000&en=5f033accb9acbe35&ei=5070 (free registration required, etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twisted Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 finally an m3 killer right out of the showroom...but then i wonder wht bimmer has planned for next gen m3...dammit Subaru ...just make it an even 400 lb ft of torque and end it once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 ..Or at least a prototype. The New York Times has an interesting snippet on the Subaru B5-TPH (Turbo Parallel Hybrid) concept from the Detroit Auto show. "Fuji Heavy Industries, the maker of Subarus, says the system will be tested in a Legacy beginning in 2007." Even more interesting is the supposed 362 lb-ft of torque produced between the engine and electric motor. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/10/automobiles/autospecial/subaru-b5.ready.html?ex=1137906000&en=5f033accb9acbe35&ei=5070 (free registration required, etc...) Not cool man- cut and paste, don't make us register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in CT Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Not cool man- cut and paste, don't make us register.Ever heard of http://bugmenot.com? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 ']Ever heard of http://bugmenot.com? Ever heard of GTFO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double-V Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 The company line: Don’t read too much into the B5-TPH’s shape, the company says. The import aspect is its Turbo Parallel Hybrid (which explains the peculiar name) driveline. TPH also stands for Total Petroleum Hydrocarbons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAP Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 ']Ever heard of bugmenot.com? Blocked by my companey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacy_y_tu Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 There's some info on this system in the most recent Driven mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geddyup Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 great report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agctr Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Trust me... ///M has that trumped already... easily. Ada///M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanKen Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Snide comments aside, I think it would be neat for someone to finally come out with a hybrid that is both fuel effecicent AND not a dog perf-wise. A friend has an 06 civic hybrid. Very nice car, but a yugo powered by a caffinated gerbil would out run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlabs Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I think that's the future (near-future) for most cars actually... hybrids. Even for performance vehicles. It'll be great to see a 300hp+ turbo hybrid Subie with some nice lowend torque. -=- Livin life at 140 BPM -=- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew.anderson Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Maybe by the time I redeploy it will be time to get a new car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Flat four? Does this mean theyre keeping the 2.5L? Pretty sweet I think. Assuming the head gasket issue is a things of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in CT Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Trust me... ///M has that trumped already... easily. Ada///M.Subaru deliberately chose its least powerful JDM turbo engine to demonstrate the TPH system because it wanted to emphasize the electric motor aspect. Subaru could just as easily have used the 3.0L twin turbo engine from the B11S concept car. That engine was rated by Subaru as 294 kW (394 hp) @ 6400 RPM and 550 Nm (406 lb-ft) between 3600 and 4800 RPM. Toss in the 10 kW and 150 Nm supplied by the electric motor and the resulting TPH would be rated at 304 kW (408 hp) and 700 Nm (516 lb-ft). That's more power than any M3 and more torque than any BMW M ever produced, including the current M5 and M6. BTW, here's a nice hi-res picture of the TPH powertrain: http://www.subaru-presse.de/Messen/TMS2005/B5_PowerUnit.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STIJibz Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 BMW M cars have never been torque monsters. If you are looking for 500lb/ft+ of torque, swing over to mercedes. Their top power plants toruque start in the 470ish range, and go up to 700! the SL65 says it all biturbo V12s aren't known for producing low torque numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboliberty Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I speculate that the first Suby Hybrid model won't show up until 2009 as a 2010 model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Pimp Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 The only thing I don't like is all the hybrid powertrains offered today and talked about in the future are saddled with automatic transmissions. So if you like to shift on your own no soup for you. I don't care how much torque it has if its an auto it sucks the driving fun out of the car. Plus it has to have more torque - I mean the electric motor and related batteries aren't exactly lightweight components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Isnt the insight available with the manual tranny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fzanetti Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 ']Subaru deliberately chose its least powerful JDM turbo engine to demonstrate the TPH system because it wanted to emphasize the electric motor aspect. Subaru could just as easily have used the 3.0L twin turbo engine from the B11S concept car. That engine was rated by Subaru as 294 kW (394 hp) @ 6400 RPM and 550 Nm (406 lb-ft) between 3600 and 4800 RPM. Toss in the 10 kW and 150 Nm supplied by the electric motor and the resulting TPH would be rated at 304 kW (408 hp) and 700 Nm (516 lb-ft). That's more power than any M3 and more torque than any BMW M ever produced, including the current M5 and M6. BTW, here's a nice hi-res picture of the TPH powertrain: http://www.subaru-presse.de/Messen/TMS2005/B5_PowerUnit.jpg GREAT NEWS!!!!! Can't wait for this to come to the States, if ever!!!! Flavio Zanetti Boston, MA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fzanetti Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 The only thing I don't like is all the hybrid powertrains offered today and talked about in the future are saddled with automatic transmissions. So if you like to shift on your own no soup for you. I don't care how much torque it has if its an auto it sucks the driving fun out of the car. Plus it has to have more torque - I mean the electric motor and related batteries aren't exactly lightweight components. +1!!!!! Flavio Zanetti Boston, MA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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