elarbee Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 just ordered my new ride and done wandered on over to these here forums and aint found nothin but tumbleweeds blowin in the wind for the 3.0R so i done googled and found this here story bout tires being the issue. http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/sedans/0501_subaru_legacy_spec_b/ are tires why the 3.0R isn't released in the US? or did us aussies get stiched up with some old junk again lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 We have the 3.0R here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elarbee Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 We have the 3.0R here. sorry i meant in the legacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt_ltd Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 iirc the 3.0 has always been an outback thing in the states. This Space For Rent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHLEG Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 iirc the 3.0 has always been an outback thing in the states. What gt said. I actually saw my first 3.0R Outback wagon (seen several sedans)this weekend, non-LL Bean (which there are quite a few here in LL Bean land), just said "3.0 R". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windex Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Can't see why the lack of 18" all-season rubber would keep the car out of the states. It's not like the slicks that come stock on the STI are all-season. Anyone buying a car with this kind of sporting aspiration should be made to sign a waver that they either: 1) live in Phoenix, where it never snows 2) will absolutely buy snow tires before it snows, or allow themselves to be tarred and feathered should they slide off the road using the stock tires in winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakuun Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I don't honestly understand the appeal of the 3.0R Spec.B. or really of the 2.5 Spec.B either. They, to me, just don't seem to mate the right elements to make them truly stand above their base models. Yes- if you do the math, upgrading the base to Spec.B levels evens out to about the same cost and minus one possibly voided warranty, I suppose that these two factors alone are enough to make the average 'wants it sportier' buyer pick one up.. but me, I dunno, I'd rather pay more, and get a car thats no where near it's base in any respect then to only pay 3/4k more for things that most people won't even appreciate because they are so transparent. *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy STI Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I think the author's intent was to say that the lack of all season tires "signals" that the car isn't U.S. bound. Not that it would prevent it from coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elarbee Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 I don't honestly understand the appeal of the 3.0R Spec.B. or really of the 2.5 Spec.B either. They, to me, just don't seem to mate the right elements to make them truly stand above their base models. Yes- if you do the math, upgrading the base to Spec.B levels evens out to about the same cost and minus one possibly voided warranty, I suppose that these two factors alone are enough to make the average 'wants it sportier' buyer pick one up.. but me, I dunno, I'd rather pay more, and get a car thats no where near it's base in any respect then to only pay 3/4k more for things that most people won't even appreciate because they are so transparent. *shrug* i hear what you're sayin but after test driving a GT and the 3.0RB the difference in handling was enough for me to up to the spec.B i might be wrong but i think the spec.B also adds LSD to the back where as our standard models don't have that... but then again i could be wrong.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elarbee Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 I think the author's intent was to say that the lack of all season tires "signals" that the car isn't U.S. bound. Not that it would prevent it from coming here. i see said the blind man to his deaf dog as he pissed into the wind 'it's all coming back to me now' quote from article: "Too bad the lack of eighteen-inch all-season tires means it's not headed for the United States anytime soon." ah well just curious really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TYNY Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 LSD? like the illicit substance? wow! just being stupid after new year's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elarbee Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 LSD? like the illicit substance? wow! just being stupid after new year's yep but it's a bitch to lick off the trunk lining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elarbee Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 I don't honestly understand the appeal of the 3.0R Spec.B. or really of the 2.5 Spec.B either. They, to me, just don't seem to mate the right elements to make them truly stand above their base models. Yes- if you do the math, upgrading the base to Spec.B levels evens out to about the same cost and minus one possibly voided warranty, I suppose that these two factors alone are enough to make the average 'wants it sportier' buyer pick one up.. but me, I dunno, I'd rather pay more, and get a car thats no where near it's base in any respect then to only pay 3/4k more for things that most people won't even appreciate because they are so transparent. *shrug* sorry forgot to mention, here in oz we don't pay any more for spec.B compared to standard 3.0R woot! http://subaru.com.au/explore/liberty/pricing.asp?body=Sedan&grade=3%2E0R+spec%2EB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakuun Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Bastards!!! hhehe... On topic of the quote from the article- I felt it was to vague a statement to know what exactly they meant by it. Especially you know, since tire manufacturers can ship their tires anywhere in the world.. *shrug* Honestly, I think they were just trying to be facecious with it, joking, mocking perhaps..just rubbing it in. Like I said.. Bastards!! hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elej Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 sorry forgot to mention, here in oz we don't pay any more for spec.B compared to standard 3.0R woot! yeah but they put the steering wheel on the wrong side. why does the MT cost more than the Auto (because its 6sp)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elarbee Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 yeah but they put the steering wheel on the wrong side. why does the MT cost more than the Auto (because its 6sp)? i've wondered that myself and can only guess it's economies of scale, we're lazy bastards over here so maybe AT outsells MT by a far margin.. maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatman Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Whats a 3.0R (I suppose I could search). I saw an outback looking sedan yesterday sporting the 3.0R badge, some family was inside. Whats the diff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Uhhhhhh... 2.5GT Spec B has 18" summer tires. I don't see how that would preclude a 3.0R Spec B. I think Drakuun misses a point. The GT, GT Spec B, 3.0R and 3.0R spec B would each serve different rolls, and *here's the key* allow each of them to focus on what they concentrate on, instead of trying to compromise one model to appease everyone. The way it should work (and the way it does work, if they would offer all four models in one market...) This is of course leaving off the 2.5i models, which could be treated somewhat similarly, or left with the base, Ltd, and SE that they currently offer... GT = Value Leader. Bang for the buck. turbo power for an easier attainable price. Base or limited should be brought back. 5EAT or 5MT. GT Spec B = GT with suspension and aerokit (the way they do it in Japan) Should have 5EAT or 6MT as no cost choice. 3.0R - Near lux offering. Leather and moon roof, wood trim, and most of the amenities standard. Perhaps even more, like the OB LLB/VDC. 5EAT only. 3.0R Spec B - Similar to 3.0R, but perhaps some lux equipment goes back to the optional list rather than standard, Bilsteins and 6MT come in to play with 18" rims and aerokit, similar to GT Spec B. More of a refined sport sedan, more lux and looks than GT Spec B, more sport than 3.0R. Ideally they would come with a varied color pallete. Good choice of standard colors for the GT, WRB and San Remo Red offered for both of the Spec B cars, and perhaps a very dark wine red, or one of the dark outback paint colors for the 3.0R. Give each model a badge, or a trim difference, or a unique set of OE wheels to differentiate. If only I were a Subaru Product Planner. Legacy should be brought back to as much of an equal footing to the Outback as possible, instead of an also ran on the Outback platform. The Legacy generated the outback, and now people barely know that Subaru makes a normal-height sedan or wagon... That should be rectified through smart product offering, and then agressive marketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petmor Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I fore one am glad I got a 3.0R spec.B. I have totally different winter wheels. I got the 3.0 orginal 17" rims with Falken hs437 winter tyres BTW why would anyone want allseason tyres at all?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 i hear what you're sayin but after test driving a GT and the 3.0RB the difference in handling was enough for me to up to the spec.B i might be wrong but i think the spec.B also adds LSD to the back where as our standard models don't have that... but then again i could be wrong.. All LGT and OBXTs and the 3.0 equipped Outback models all come equipped with a viscous-type limited-slip rear differential. None of the 2.5i's come equipped with the rear LSD. SBT - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elarbee Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 Uhhhhhh... 2.5GT Spec B has 18" summer tires. I don't see how that would preclude a 3.0R Spec B. I think Drakuun misses a point. The GT, GT Spec B, 3.0R and 3.0R spec B would each serve different rolls, and *here's the key* allow each of them to focus on what they concentrate on, instead of trying to compromise one model to appease everyone. The way it should work (and the way it does work, if they would offer all four models in one market...) This is of course leaving off the 2.5i models, which could be treated somewhat similarly, or left with the base, Ltd, and SE that they currently offer... GT = Value Leader. Bang for the buck. turbo power for an easier attainable price. Base or limited should be brought back. 5EAT or 5MT. GT Spec B = GT with suspension and aerokit (the way they do it in Japan) Should have 5EAT or 6MT as no cost choice. 3.0R - Near lux offering. Leather and moon roof, wood trim, and most of the amenities standard. Perhaps even more, like the OB LLB/VDC. 5EAT only. 3.0R Spec B - Similar to 3.0R, but perhaps some lux equipment goes back to the optional list rather than standard, Bilsteins and 6MT come in to play with 18" rims and aerokit, similar to GT Spec B. More of a refined sport sedan, more lux and looks than GT Spec B, more sport than 3.0R. Ideally they would come with a varied color pallete. Good choice of standard colors for the GT, WRB and San Remo Red offered for both of the Spec B cars, and perhaps a very dark wine red, or one of the dark outback paint colors for the 3.0R. Give each model a badge, or a trim difference, or a unique set of OE wheels to differentiate. If only I were a Subaru Product Planner. Legacy should be brought back to as much of an equal footing to the Outback as possible, instead of an also ran on the Outback platform. The Legacy generated the outback, and now people barely know that Subaru makes a normal-height sedan or wagon... That should be rectified through smart product offering, and then agressive marketing. good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elarbee Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 Whats a 3.0R (I suppose I could search). I saw an outback looking sedan yesterday sporting the 3.0R badge, some family was inside. Whats the diff? a legacy with a 3.0L six pot na boxer engine http://subaru.com.au/explore/liberty/ in fact the aussie 3.0R just recently won Austalia's Best Cars "Best Luxury Car Under $57,000" http://www.australiasbestcars.com.au/2005/luxury_under.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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