Tronic Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Thank you for your extensive market research on this one. Problem is, they stopped making them for the US market because ... wait for it ... they couldn't sell the damned things! Things change over time. People drift off into other "Trendy" market segments then realize the likes of the SUV was not that great after all. The SUV is as aerodynamic as a brick and as fuel prices continue to increase, everyone will eventually be forced into a smaller car. There are a number of reasons why a SUV sucks compared to a Legacy wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 Thank you for your extensive market research on this one. Problem is, they stopped making them for the US market because ... wait for it ... they couldn't sell the damned things! The major bit of SOA's rationale for dropping the wagon, was that it was taking assembly line capacity away from the Outbacks (read: SUVs), which Subaru had correctly read the tea leaves on, would be the next Subaru big hit. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanjk3 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Cheapest V60 with AWD is $44K. Even a XC40 with AWD is nearly 40K. Think I'll be buying a Forester instead, $32K for the limited trim. Friends don't let friends drink cheap beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 That's the problem with many other brands - they have AWD only on the higher level models and not on the cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Cheapest V60 with AWD is $44K. Even a XC40 with AWD is nearly 40K. Think I'll be buying a Forester instead, $32K for the limited trim. I'm in the same boat- I've been looking for a while and so far for the price I can't find anything close to the Limited Forest when considering price, features and safety. The only thing I'm waiting for is to see a Passport when it comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Things change over time. People drift off into other "Trendy" market segments then realize the likes of the SUV was not that great after all. The SUV is as aerodynamic as a brick and as fuel prices continue to increase, everyone will eventually be forced into a smaller car. There are a number of reasons why a SUV sucks compared to a Legacy wagon. The Outback doesn’t get much less fuel ecomony than the Legacy wagon would. The improvement of fuel economy in midsized and small suv is also why sedan sales are down. When SUV owners would look to downsize or improve FE they used be forced into sedans now crossovers SUV are the new choice. The new crossover SUV are getting similar and better mpg than their sedan used to and far better than suv of 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronic Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 All depends on whats important to you in a car. Personally I don't care about the fuel consumption and our fuel prices are much higher than yours, although recently someone posted the price of your fuel and it has gone up significantly compared to ours. What I like is power and handling with a practical vehicle that is a real drivers car which is a pretty hard combination to find until I took the Legacy for a test drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seiyafan Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Does anyone know if the next gen Legacy will be released in 2019 or 2020? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronic Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Who really knows ? I'm waiting for someone here who has been to the 2019 Detroit Autoshow to post up some new information about the new STi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronic Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Looks like its finally up. Both the Subaru and the new Toyota Supra here... https://www.clickondetroit.com/auto-show/subaru-reveals-limited-edition-sti-s209-at-2019-detroit-auto-show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Does anyone know if the next gen Legacy will be released in 2019 or 2020? Legacy/Outback should be released at the Chicago auto show later this year. It is the last platform to be migrated to the global platform. The current legacy is 5 model years old design wise... The show will open to the public Saturday, February 9 and run through Monday, February 18 at McCormick Place. Hours will be 10 a.m. until 10 p.m. each day except for the final day of the show, President's Day, when it will close at 8 p.m. we do not have that long to wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somac Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Legacy/Outback should be released at the Chicago auto show later this year. It is the last platform to be migrated to the global platform. The current legacy is 5 model years old design wise... The show will open to the public Saturday, February 9 and run through Monday, February 18 at McCormick Place. Hours will be 10 a.m. until 10 p.m. each day except for the final day of the show, President's Day, when it will close at 8 p.m. we do not have that long to wait The new WRX still has to move to SGP. I believe that'll be announced either mid-late this year or next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 ^ it did with the Detroit auto show, so that leaves the Legacy/Outback to get the official release https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a20733804/2020-subaru-wrx-sti/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Legacy/Outback should be released at the Chicago auto show later this year. It is the last platform to be migrated to the global platform. The current legacy is 5 model years old design wise... The show will open to the public Saturday, February 9 and run through Monday, February 18 at McCormick Place. Hours will be 10 a.m. until 10 p.m. each day except for the final day of the show, President's Day, when it will close at 8 p.m. The 2015 Legacy was show in Feb at Chicago and 2015 Outback was shown in Feb at New York. ^ it did with the Detroit auto show, so that leaves the Legacy/Outback to get the official release https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a20733804/2020-subaru-wrx-sti/ That is a rumor, the WRX isn't updated to the SGP. Subaru just released the 2019 s209 STI yesterday that going to be built late 2019 and is based on the 2015-2019 WRX platform. It is expected that Subaru SGP WRX will either be late 2020MY release in late 2019 calendar year or 2021MY in 2020 CY at this point and time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanjk3 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'm going to the Philly Auto show the first week of February. IIRC Subaru usually announces new models at the NY Auto show. If they stick with a 5 year cycle, the 7th gen Legacy/ 6th gen Outback should be out this fall as a 2020 model. Friends don't let friends drink cheap beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 So no non-SUV wagon models expected - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieN8 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Nasty rumor going around that the 6th Gen will be the last Legacy in the States... Seems plausible as sedans are out and CUVs are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 that would suck.... I see that they are doing 0% financing on them now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrowNaza86 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Subaru has lost their way, IMO. They're trending towards a business model that, honestly, won't be pushing vehicles out that a majority of us are looking for. That said...bring us a wagon and we will buy it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somac Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 If people bought wagons, they'd sell them. If people bought sedans, they'd sell them. They stop selling them because not enough people are buying them. Out of the hundreds or thousands of people that say, "If they made it, I'd buy it!," only a handful would actually come through and buy it new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 The problem with modern wagons is that they transited from being practical workhorses to something that has too low ground clearance. That's why the Outback exists. Now if the Outback came with a 450hp turbocharged H6 it would be a shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 In the U.S. it's the wagon stigma at play. Plenty of low sitting wagons in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronic Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 The problem with modern wagons is that they transited from being practical workhorses to something that has too low ground clearance. That's why the Outback exists. Now if the Outback came with a 450hp turbocharged H6 it would be a shocker. Yeah you would get the shock as you ended up in a ditch. The Outback doesn't have the handling for 450Hp. They won't even put 350Hp in the STi yet. The new S207 with 341Hp that basically doesn't exist because its in such limited numbers is available to the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DickDastardly00 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I started my love of Subaru with a '97 outback Sport which was a low sitting wagon compared to the much larger Outback of that same year. I still really like Outbacks and could see myself getting one someday. I would much rather have a newer Outback than the Tribeca (or insert another SUV name here) that I am driving now. In my mind Wagons are still king, they are very useful and practical. ♪Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery; None but ourselves can free our minds.♫ -Bob Marley, Redemption Song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 If people bought wagons, they'd sell them. If people bought sedans, they'd sell them. They stop selling them because not enough people are buying them. Out of the hundreds or thousands of people that say, "If they made it, I'd buy it!," only a handful would actually come through and buy it new. Don't be trying to bring logic and reason into this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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