2019 Subaru Ascent Mid-sized SUV - True 3-row vehicle

[FLlegacy]

Its probably not listed in the specs, go to a dealer and look under the hood I bet it's there. It isn't listed in previous models either, but the parts breakdown shows a cooler in the parts breakdown for the cooling system.

 

And check this out for the HT cvt:

 

http://www.subispeed.com/mishimoto-wrx-cvt-transmission-cooler-2015-wrx-cvt?gclid=CjwKEAjwvr3KBRD_i_Lz6cihrDASJADUkGCahaA9gWLu1Hyhq8dZQAXdE2uzwf8vByBgtDEMrRyxNhoCtPLw_wcB#.WVA0rWjyvIV

Edited June 25, 2017 by FLlegacy

[ehsnils]

If I remember correctly the previous Outback I had with the diesel engine had an oil cooler for the HTCVT.

[SBT]

Here's the Ascent from Subaru's site. Looks like a knock-out. Brochure here

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Standard Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive + SUBARU BOXER® engine

 

Designed for optimal balance and an even distribution of power for maximum traction, standard Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive makes for exceptional stability, impressive efficiency, and a quick response to driving conditions.

The all-new Direct-Injection Turbocharged SUBARU BOXER® engine delivers 260 hp and 277 lb.-ft. of torque. And with 19.3 gallons of fuel capacity, it puts almost any destination within reach.

 

 

8.7 Inches of Ground Clearance and X-MODE®

 

Conquer rough terrain with 8.7 inches of ground clearance and standard X-MODE, which optimizes the Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive system for maximum traction on slippery surfaces. X-MODE also incorporates Hill Descent Control for stability and confidence when descending more difficult grades.

 

 

5,000-Pound Towing Capacity[1]

 

The 2019 Ascent offers the most towing capacity of any Subaru vehicle ever, along with an available Class III trailer hitch and wide selection of Thule racking accessories so you can bring along all the gear you’ll need for all the places you’ll be able to go.

SUBARU STARLINK™ Multimedia

 

With standard Apple CarPlay™, Android™ Auto, and Pandora® integration[5], plus SiriusXM® All Access Radio[6], STARLINK Multimedia connects you to music, navigation, podcasts, and much more. Wireless pairing and hands-free smartphone operation allow for safe and easy access to your favorite apps and content, including STARLINK apps such as iHeartRadio®, Yelp and Magellan. A built-in, voice-activated navigation system powered by TomTom® and an 8-inch touch-screen are also available.

360 Degrees of Visibility

 

The available Smart Rear-View Mirror uses a dedicated camera to maintain visibility when the view behind is obstructed, while a standard Rear-Vision Camera provides extra safety when reversing. And an available 180-Degree Front Camera gives the same confidence that your path ahead and to the sides is safe and clear.

LED Steering Responsive Headlights and High Beam Assist

 

Get a clearer look around every bend with available LED Steering Responsive Headlights, which actively track in the direction of a turn to enhance visibility. Available High Beam Assist can automatically switch the headlights between the high and low settings when an oncoming vehicle is detected, enhancing safety for both you and other drivers on the road. __________________

[FLlegacy]

So if I have this right, the introduction of the ascent claimed it would go over 500 miles on a tank...so Highway mileage around 30 mpg, city should be a solid 20 ish. This may be a minivan alternative for sure!

[SBT]

Agreed. 19.3 gal tank and 550 mile range = 28.5mpg

[ehsnils]

Could be an interesting vehicle if the figures holds up and the price is right. Not sure if it appears here in Europe, but you never know. The Tribeca never did well because it had bad fuel consumption figures, was way too expensive and on top of all had a design that was completely wrong. The nicest association of the design was Saab 93B, the worst - Ford Edsel.

[SBT]

From everything I've read, the Ascent will only be sold in the North American market

[TwoTone]

I foresee dealer mark ups.

Looks really well thought out.

[SBT]

I'll forego dealer markup by ordering exactly what I want. Not going to play that game.

[SubOperator]

Talked to sales guy who told me last year Ascent will look like bigger Outback, they've seen it on closed event for dealers only.

 

So early orders will open late March-early April. First deliveries early June. That's also when they expect actual Ascents in showrooms, not earlier than that.

 

They will likely sell a ton of them. First year volume is expected to be what, 60K units?

[covertrussian]

A brand new car that I actually would want!

 

I'm glad it's 4 cylinder turbo which means it will mod well, but why not give it 300hp? Is that just not common in this kind of car market?

[FLlegacy]

A brand new car that I actually would want!

 

I'm glad it's 4 cylinder turbo which means it will mod well, but why not give it 300hp? Is that just not common in this kind of car market?

Because cvt! My guess is there isn't enough chain tension possible to compete with 10k lbs of suv/ trailer and all 300+ horses and probably 325+lb ft of torque. At least not that would be packaged is an awd transmission. We shall see though I would love to be proved wrong!

 

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[covertrussian]

They are claiming 5,000lbs towing capacity, I doubt they would get that with CVT?

[rvnmaniac]

Will this be premium with the Turbo engine or regular gas?

[FLlegacy]

Will this be premium with the Turbo engine or regular gas?

I will bet you can get by with regular at a reduced power output. Similar to others in the market.

 

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[SBT]

The FXT states premium gas (93 or 91) for the 2.0 DIT recommended but not required. If you want the most output (read: increased power through advanced timing on 93 vs less knock and power on 87 due to pulled timing), then plan on premium.

[FLlegacy]

They are claiming 5,000lbs towing capacity, I doubt they would get that with CVT?

 

Well here is to hoping they have really put that cvt to the test and didn't just hope and pray with that figure. If it says 5K lb towing capacity it darn well better be capable.

[covertrussian]

A brand new car that I actually would want!

 

I'm glad it's 4 cylinder turbo which means it will mod well, but why not give it 300hp? Is that just not common in this kind of car market?

 

Looks like the 2018 Toyota Highlander has 295HP on regular gas. Come on Subaru, you could do better

[FLlegacy]

Looks like the 2018 Toyota Highlander has 295HP on regular gas. Come on Subaru, you could do better

 

Strap them both on a dyno and see who gets more to the wheels, lol!

[covertrussian]

Tried to find WHP numbers for the 2017-2018 highlander, no dice...

 

We'll see if someone dyno's the Ascent, maybe Subaru is underrating it like they are the rest of the turbo cars.

[eagleeye]

Looks like the 2018 Toyota Highlander has 295HP on regular gas. Come on Subaru, you could do better

 

maybe the Ascent will reflash itself when you pump 91-93 US octane in it.

 

...either that or they will sell you a racing keyless fob as a option when you pump the high octane in.

 

I remember when it was "hard" to find enough road make a 80s subaru build speed over 80mph. (I can say I have had a unmodified Justy over 90mph).

 

 

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that said, maybe subaru should get back into the endurance record things like they use to do with the early EJ22T and the EG33.

whipping them around a track to 62,5000 miles = 100,000kms in the shortest # of days. such might make the FA24T prove its worth.

[eagleeye]

87 US AKI octane confirmed on the subaru of japan site (sorry its going open a PDF,...lots of stuff in the flyer though).

 

maybe it will automatically reflash for more hp/torque if you put higher octane in.

 

https://www.subaru.co.jp/press/file/...17_1129_02.pdf

 

 

 

73 liters ~ 19.28 gallons for the fuel tank capacity. (subaru did not give a conversion in the data below)

 

quoted text centered:

 

< Major Specifications of Ascent (US specs.) >

Body size (Overall length / width / height) 4,998 x 1,930 x 1,819*1 mm (196.8 x 76.0 x 71.6*1 in.) Wheelbase 2,890 mm (113.8 in.)

Minimum ground clearance 220 mm (8.7 in.)

 

Engine

2.4-liter Horizontally-Opposed four cylinder, DOHC, Direct injection turbo FA24 engine

Displacement 2,387cc Bore and stroke 94 x 86 mm Maximum output 260hp / 5,600rpm Maximum torque 277lb.-ft. / 2,000 - 4,800rpm

Fuel tank capacity 73 liter

Fuel type 87 AKI

Transmission High-torque Lineartronic*2 Drivetrain Symmetrical AWD Tire size 245/60 R18, 245/50 R20 Seating capacity 7 / 8

 

*1: Without roof rail: 1,766 mm (69.5 in.)

*2: Continuously variable transmission (CVT) with fully automatic electronic control

[covertrussian]

The ECU actually doesn't reflash itself nor can it, it just has a couple of timing tables and dynamic advance timing table.

 

Subaru's ECU always wants to run full timing, when it's running full timing Ignition Advance Multiplier (IAM) will be at 1.0. When you use 87 octane, it will knock and ECU will lower the IAM to be less then 1.0, until knock is eliminated. Then every time you drive, ECU tries to add back timing, but engine will knock again so it will retard that timing again.

 

Every single 2.5i DBW car that I've hooked up the Tactrix cable to had IAM lower then 1.0, and they are all 87 rated cars too. The only way I could get my IAM to stay at 1.0 is by using 93 octane on my 2012 2.5i, which also improved performance and reduced audible knock. I was able to adjust my tune (read: reduce timing majorly) to keep IAM at 1.0 with 87 gas, and make the car be almost as good as it was with 93 gas.

 

Moral of the story? With the way Subaru ECU logic works, lower octane will make the ECU always want the IAM to be at 1.0, but due to knock it will constantly be less and it will be hunting around. This usually means the car will perform worse then if it was just fine tuned for a specific octane.

[SBT]

The HP/TQ ratings are listed as 87 AKI. Not sure if that equivalent to 87 RON US, but it might be. If so, or either way, with Subaru's ECU learning and the availability of 91 or 93 both should enable more HP/TQ on tap running those octane levels.

 

In this case, would it be that the engineers are tuning to the lowest common denominator and anything above that is bonus? I presume that 91/93 will be recommended for highest performance, similar to the FA2.0 DIT.

 

AFWIW - the Toyota's NA 3.5L V6 makes 295 hp @ 6660 rpm, 263 lb.-ft. @ 4700 rpm. Those are stratospheric RPMs v-a-v HP numbers. Believe I read somewhere that the Ascent's 2.4 DIT will make it's power and torque between 2,000 and 4,000 RPM.

[FLlegacy]

^2k rpm to 4.8k rpm i believe 277 lbft