DrD123 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 The accord weighs 100lbs less than the the loaded Legacy The motor is a dog. 3.6 liters and only makes 256/247 It's actually more like 150 lbs lighter, but do remember that the Legacy is AWD, and last I checked, things like differentials (center and rear), the driveshaft, axles, etc. associated with AWD aren't weightless... Fuel economy is respectable for the 3.6R at 20/28 - pretty close to the competition which is, again, FWD, so less drivetrain drag. The Camry's V6 is close in output to the Subaru H6 at 268hp/248 ft-lbs - interestingly, it's the camry that's the lightweight here, at around 100 lbs less than the Accord! That the Legacy is putting down similar numbers for fuel economy, while being AWD and weighing about 240lbs more is pretty impressive. I know Honda does the VCM thing, and presumably Toyota does as well - so that will definitely help with highway mileage. Doing that on a horizontal engine isn't going to happen. That being said, none of them are a new Legacy GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 The fact that we're now comparing the top model Legacy to a Camry makes me sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 The fact that we're now comparing the top model Legacy to a Camry makes me sad. Welcome to 2005? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Welcome to 2005? You're talking about looks. I'm talking about performance. In 05, the V6 Camry was far behind in performance. Not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Unless you were comparing the 3.0 H6 to Toyota's 3.3L V6 ... then about the same. The only difference is the lack of a GT model. There was only a relatively short period that the Legacy was offered in a trim that didn't "compete" with the Camry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dga Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Subaru has all the major parts in their bins they needs to put together another Legacy GT, but guess what, they don't want to spend money and time engineering something for a niche group of people. They are very happy selling a lot of AWD Camry's and will gladly sell you a WRX if you want an AWD performance sedan. WRX too small? Legacy underpowered and not tuner friendly? Too bad as they sell everything that they can build at this point. Subaru love y'all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spb Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 they sell everything that they can build at this point. Maybe this will actually push them to give GT another go? Their "user base" has grown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dga Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Maybe this will actually push them to give GT another go? Their "user base" has grown. I don't think they'll stray from their current business model. There is also capacity to consider. As far as I know, Subaru currently makes the Legacy, Outback, and has recently added the Impreza to the facility in Lafayette, Indiana. Subaru BRZ, XV Crosstrek, Impreza, WRX, STi, and Forester models are built in Japan. Also a while back Thomas Doll, head of Subaru US, outlined his plan on focusing on mainstream models and since they've had nothing but blinding success. I'd love to see a new Legacy GT, but at this rate I think that is far off, if ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesA Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Maybe this will actually push them to give GT another go? Their "user base" has grown.Doubtful, unfortunately for us. Subaru is financially successful following the current course, so it will carry on that way. The fourth generation from 2005 is ancient history. If current trends continue, young people will care less and less about cars in the future. The enthusiast market is too small for Subaru to chase now. The people who are buying cars had many complaints about the fourth generation. Too small, too noisy, bad fuel economy, WTF is with these frameless windows, where are all my electronic gadgets, etc. So, Subaru changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spb Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Only evil people complain about frameless windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Doubtful, unfortunately for us. Subaru is financially successful following the current course, so it will carry on that way. The fourth generation from 2005 is ancient history. If current trends continue, young people will care less and less about cars in the future. The enthusiast market is too small for Subaru to chase now. The people who are buying cars had many complaints about the fourth generation. Too small, too noisy, bad fuel economy, WTF is with these frameless windows, where are all my electronic gadgets, etc. So, Subaru changed. Subaru seems to want to coral all the enthusiast into the WRX line. The current VA model is selling very well. Its sales which is sedan only are almost double what the GR/GV were when they had both sedan & hatchback models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesA Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Only evil people complain about frameless windows. I like them, though I understand many good people don't. Part of the Subaru quirkiness, I suppose. Also, I like having the thin A-pillars. Subaru seems to want to coral all the enthusiast into the WRX line. The current VA model is selling very well. Its sales which is sedan only are almost double what the GR/GV were when they had both sedan & hatchback models. True enough, there is no wagon because it's not popular enough, which is sad. I've never understood that bias, but then many things about our culture don't make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I like them, though I understand many good people don't. Part of the Subaru quirkiness, I suppose. Also, I like having the thin A-pillars. True enough, there is no wagon because it's not popular enough, which is sad. I've never understood that bias, but then many things about our culture don't make sense to me. The funny thing is that here it's hard to stay on the market unless a wagon is offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dga Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 People love wagons in the US...as long as you lift it and then call it a SUV. Look how great the Outback has done, but the Legacy station wagon was a flop. The major difference being a body lift, suspension, and body cladding, but aren't they sporty! AmIright, amIright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesA Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 ...AmIright, amIright? YouAreSoRight. I know what ehsnils is talking about, too. When I was in Europe a few years ago, wagons were all over the place. Sometimes called Estate, Touring, etc. but they were seen as simply a practical body style that could also be sporty. Every European marque had them. Nothing new, I know, but maybe it will change over time. Or maybe we'll all be driven around in autonomous robot mobiles in a few years and it won't matter. I like my flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Wagons would do much better here if we stop subsidizing lost cost fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dga Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 YouAreSoRight. I know what ehsnils is talking about, too. When I was in Europe a few years ago, wagons were all over the place. Sometimes called Estate, Touring, etc. but they were seen as simply a practical body style that could also be sporty. Every European marque had them. Nothing new, I know, but maybe it will change over time. Or maybe we'll all be driven around in autonomous robot mobiles in a few years and it won't matter. I like my flop. I hear ya. Wagons and hatchbacks rule in EU. After all they are very practical. Not so much in the US hence why there are almost no wagons offered and hatchbacks are lukewarm. Give it some bigger wheels and tires though - to fight the treacherous strip-mall parking lots - and you are printing money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I hear ya. Wagons and hatchbacks rule in EU. After all they are very practical. Not so much in the US hence why there are almost no wagons offered and hatchbacks are lukewarm. Give it some bigger wheels and tires though - to fight the treacherous strip-mall parking lots - and you are printing money. Yesterday I saw a brand new 4Runner Limited with low profile tires. It occurred to me that my LGT has probably done more offroading than the 4Runner ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesA Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Yesterday I saw a brand new 4Runner Limited with low profile tires. It occurred to me that my LGT has probably done more offroading than the 4Runner ever will. I know, for those who haven't driven the LGT on a good dirt road, you are missing a treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dga Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Even in snow and ice I'll reach for the keys of the Spec.B over my old '96 4x4 GMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4S-TURBO Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 People love wagons in the US... I sure do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 2Fiver Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 They're bringing the 4thgen back. Available in Canada 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 They're bringing the 4thgen back. Available in Canada 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadSled Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 they're bringing the 4thgen back. Available in canada 2023. would buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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