StoplightAssassin Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I wouldn't call that a sleeper. Everyone knows it has a powerful V8 under the hood and the flashy styling attracts attention. One of the things that I like about my 5th gen is that it could be mistaken for a boring family sedan, but it still has it where it counts. Not a sleeper? How could it not be? Scruit still thinks it's a Malibu or Impala, as do most other people. Factory sleepers are usually easily spotted by car enthusiasts, but to the other 99%, anything that doesn't look fast might as well be a base model Corolla. That's the point of a sleeper, not to trick car enthusiasts, but to fool the rest of the world that the spendy 400+ hp car in the lane to their left is not all that dissimilar from the POS they're driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldsoda Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 scat pack charger is a nice sleeper... tempting if it didnt feel like such a rental car on the inside. I do like the car though....... and for 40k for 485hp, and 0% for 72mo promotions most times of the year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarang Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Not a sleeper? How could it not be? Scruit still thinks it's a Malibu or Impala, as do most other people. Factory sleepers are usually easily spotted by car enthusiasts, but to the other 99%, anything that doesn't look fast might as well be a base model Corolla. That's the point of a sleeper, not to trick car enthusiasts, but to fool the rest of the world that the spendy 400+ hp car in the lane to their left is not all that dissimilar from the POS they're driving. To me all the chrome and the "beefy" look shouts "I've got powah!" It's a matter of opinion for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 http://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014_chevrolet_ss_daytona.jpg I'm well aware of the meaning of the term. Are you suggesting the car above is not a sleeper? Not a sleeper. Just bad taste if you are young. Too much chrome. A real sleeper is any wagon with a trailer hitch and a roof rack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 the SS is definitely a sleeper. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieGT Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Yeah the SS is arguably the most sleeper-esque sleep on the market today. And for everyone who's saying too much chrome, I really am not seeing that much... I mean apart from the wheels, my 6th gen Legacy comes with more chrome than that :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 The wheels are actually polished forged aluminum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share Posted March 26, 2016 A real sleeper is any wagon with a trailer hitch and a roof rack. Wagons are rare enough as it is in the US. To actually find a fast one is a unicorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 Someone was talking to a SOA employee at NYIAS. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=44286510&postcount=941 The H6 engine will be phased out quickly across all Subarus. The Outback and Legacy will soon get the 2.0 DIT to replace the 3.6R trim lines very soon (probably midcycle refresh). The Tribeca replacement will also be powered by a tubo 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I'm not surprised. I wonder if it is possible to increase the displacement of the 2.0 DIT though. Sooner or later someone will try to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spb Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 are we to expect performance improvement with the 2.0 DIT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Are the turbos more reliable these days? Do they use a separate oil supply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieGT Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 That's terrible news about the H6 being discontinued.... I won't own another 4 cylinder so this might get interesting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieN8 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 This isn't a shocker, but it's a bummer. I assume SOA will keep the H6 around long enough until the 7th Gen. I am going to test drive the 2017 Impreza this fall, once Shortline takes delivery. Hopefully in Spring 2017, I'll have a choice for a 3.6r Legacy if I don't want the Impreza... Crossing fingers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spb Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 That's terrible news about the H6 being discontinued.... I won't own another 4 cylinder so this might get interesting.. why do you prefer H6 over 2.0 DIT ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarang Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 That's terrible news about the H6 being discontinued.... I won't own another 4 cylinder so this might get interesting.. You're options are dwindling. Did you hear that Volvo is switching to only I4s? I wouldn't be surprised to hear about other manufacturers doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 You're options are dwindling. Did you hear that Volvo is switching to only I4s? I wouldn't be surprised to hear about other manufacturers doing the same. Volvo is even considering to make I3s too in order to become even more fuel efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieGT Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 why do you prefer H6 over 2.0 DIT ? I guess I just prefer the guaranteed power.. I don't want to have to struggle going up an incline or even remotely feel the engine under stress... I've only ever had v8's and took the drop the the h6 because I enjoyed it's performance, but if Subaru really goes all 4 cylinders, it's going to be rough.... The 2.5i in the Legacy honestly is too small for that car. Add 3 more people into the vehicle and you can hear it stress.. I also wasn't particularly impressed with the Forester XT with the 2.0... We test drove that for lulz, and left it at that. I guess the Audi s4 will always be an option.. Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 the 2.0 DIT is more powerful and has a much wider powerband than the H6. The H6 almost feels laggy because it makes its power so high in the rpm range. The Forester XT is nearly 2 seconds faster 0-60 than the Outback 3.6 and they weigh about the same. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spb Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Here are the numbers I am seeing (0-60 and 1/4 mile): Forester XT 2016 (3691lbs) - link 6.3sec 15.0 @ 97mph Outback 3.6R 2015 (3876lbs) - link 6.9sec 15.4 @ 94mph Legacy 3.6R 2015 (3725lbs) - link 7.1sec 15.5 @ 94mph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarang Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I guess I just prefer the guaranteed power.. I don't want to have to struggle going up an incline or even remotely feel the engine under stress... I've only ever had v8's and took the drop the the h6 because I enjoyed it's performance, but if Subaru really goes all 4 cylinders, it's going to be rough.... The 2.5i in the Legacy honestly is too small for that car. Add 3 more people into the vehicle and you can hear it stress.. I also wasn't particularly impressed with the Forester XT with the 2.0... We test drove that for lulz, and left it at that. I guess the Audi s4 will always be an option.. Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk Huh, I had like the exact opposite reaction. I don't like waiting for a downshift to build power. With my LGT on the highway in sixth the difference between vacuum and 10psi is a twitch of the throttle. Downshifting is almost always overkill in that scenario. I hear the FA20 dit is pretty similar at stage 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Here are the numbers I am seeing (0-60 and 1/4 mile): Forester XT 2016 (3691lbs) - link 6.3sec 15.0 @ 97mph Outback 3.6R 2015 (3876lbs) - link 6.9sec 15.4 @ 94mph Legacy 3.6R 2015 (3725lbs) - link 7.1sec 15.5 @ 94mph That has to be the only 3.6R to break the 6's in 0-60. The car is 7.3-7.4 everywhere else. Weird that car and driver had faster times an Outback than a lighter Legacy. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 the older Subaru 3.0R was able get into the lower to mid 6's the Forrester isn't any faster than my 02 CLS to 60 when it was stock... an intake and headers later it is upper 5's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy.B Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 That's terrible. The 5EAT 3.6 Legacy's hit 60 in around 6.3 seconds...they made them slower. I'm sure they're gonna get rid of the H6. I was at the dealership recently and the salesman said at a meeting they just had, was talk of a turbo Legacy Sport. I'm just taking it as a rumor right now but I wouldn't see why they couldn't make this happen sooner rather than later. I'd be willing to bet it'd be the 2.0DIT. Timothy.B's 2011 LEGACY 3.6R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I will take a NA H6/V6 over a small turbo 4 any day of the week... less noise, smoother power delivery and less maint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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