JaQuan15 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Hello everyone in the 4th gen legacy group . I'm usually posting in the 3rd gen site but I have a couple of questions ... So I'm currently driving a 00 Brighton and may I say I love every second of it . Not to mention it is my first car as well . I'm currently 19 , I will be 20 next month and I'm interested in purchasing a 4th Gen legacy in the near future . Now as far as insurance i am currently paying $333 in liability. Just was wondering how much will my insurance increase possibly and what're some pros and cons you all have about driving a 4th gen legacy . Hope within' the next 6 months I'll have one myself . Thank you all - JaQuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battelready Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I dont think it'll be much more considering the 4th gen is newer and equipped with better safety equipment such as side curtain airbags . I bought an auto be more involved in my uninvolvedness . 200k+ Club If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. My high mileage turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBwrench Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I would get a 2.5i if I were you. Owning and maintaining a GT is $$$. Your insurance will go up a good bit too because it's considered a "performance model". The best way to find out how much your insurance will increase is to simply ask them. MTBwrench's Stage 3 5EAT #racewagon 266awhp/255awtq @17.5psi, Tuned By Graham of Boosted Performance Everyone knows what I taste like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaQuan15 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 I would get a 2.5i if I were you. Owning and maintaining a GT is $$$. Your insurance will go up a good bit too because it's considered a "performance model". The best way to find out how much your insurance will increase is to simply ask them. I just watched a video on YouTube and the guy said that some insurance companies differentiate between the 2.5i and the GT models .. & im not really worried about the money .. The main reason why I want a GT is so I'm able to build my car properly in comparison to a non - turbo version . I have a 00 that I would love to build but building a non - turbo isn't quite worth it in the long run ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaQuan15 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 I dont think it'll be much more considering the 4th gen is newer and equipped with better safety equipment such as side curtain airbags . That's exactly what I was thinking .. Not to mention in the video I just watched the guy said some insurance companies don't differentiate between the 2.5i model and the GT model so many I can get lucky .. As far as prices how much does one go for now a day ? $5000 + ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhitter Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 That's exactly what I was thinking .. Not to mention in the video I just watched the guy said some insurance companies don't differentiate between the 2.5i model and the GT model so many I can get lucky .. As far as prices how much does one go for now a day ? $5000 + ? 5K to buy and then another 5k when the engine explodes in the next couple of months. Take a look at these boards. Every day we get a new member whose turbo or ring lands take out the motor. It might be more worth it to buy an exploded car and build it up right (if you know how too) My OBXT build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaQuan15 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 5K to buy and then another 5k when the engine explodes in the next couple of months. Take a look at these boards. Every day we get a new member whose turbo or ring lands take out the motor. It might be more worth it to buy an exploded car and build it up right (if you know how too) What causes that occur ? & honestly I totally understand where you're coming from with that .. But then again is it worth it if I was to build it that way or would it be more beneficial to buy it from a certified Subaru dealer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhitter Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Certified pre-owned does not cover turbo failure. Turbo is considered a wear item. You can buy the warranty that does cover it, but generally the warranty only goes to 100k. Most of these cars are failing at over 100k. If you find an 05 for $5k it will probably have over 100k on it. Turbo failure wiki - http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/turbo-failure-wiki-173358.html Ringland - don't know. A lot think it's the stock factory tune. I got mine off the stock tune at 90k and I cracked a ringland at 120k. I was on a stage 2 tune at that point. magnusonsubie is doing a materials analysis on my pistons, so hopefully that will shed some insight into the OEM pistons after 120k. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/wants-see-some-tests-done-material-properties-oem-subaru-pistonsi-245371.html Look at MTBWrench build thread to see why we are warning you about these cars: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/cenzos-lets-build-dd-racewagon-build-241023.html One other thing. You are only getting responses from Outbacks right now. But, Legacy GTs and Outback XTs have the exact same engines. My OBXT build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaQuan15 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Certified pre-owned does not cover turbo failure. Turbo is considered a wear item. You can buy the warranty that does cover it, but generally the warranty only goes to 100k. Most of these cars are failing at over 100k. If you find an 05 for $5k it will probably have over 100k on it. Turbo failure wiki - http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/turbo-failure-wiki-173358.html Ringland - don't know. A lot think it's the stock factory tune. I got mine off the stock tune at 90k and I cracked a ringland at 120k. I was on a stage 2 tune at that point. magnusonsubie is doing a materials analysis on my pistons, so hopefully that will shed some insight into the OEM pistons after 120k. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/wants-see-some-tests-done-material-properties-oem-subaru-pistonsi-245371.html Look at MTBWrench build thread to see why we are warning you about these cars: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/cenzos-lets-build-dd-racewagon-build-241023.html One other thing. You are only getting responses from Outbacks right now. But, Legacy GTs and Outback XTs have the exact same engines. Thank you so much for the information I really appreciate it . Question , do you think I should build my wagon or purchase a GT ? I mean the problems that occur I believe are normal especially after 100,000 miles but then again it's another generation to learn . I'm totally for it but it's what I will get the best bang for my buck .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhitter Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Well I love my Outback. But I was in the position to afford the $5k when the engine died. But I am also out of college and have been working for 7 years. This would have been the worst car ever to have through college. MTBwrench is in college and dealing with it though.... My OBXT build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaQuan15 Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Well I love my Outback. But I was in the position to afford the $5k when the engine died. But I am also out of college and have been working for 7 years. This would have been the worst car ever to have through college. MTBwrench is in college and dealing with it though.... I appreciate that much brotha I really do . It's not impossible but idk I seems like something I'm whiling to try ... If not I mind as well build my 00 ... I'm hoping it won't be the same price as compared to the GT ... Mine has 158xxx on it , if I could find a GT just taping 100xxx I wouldn't mind ... I would want to start building it so the problems that would occur I wouldn't really worry much . Does being a aggressive driver matter when failures to the turbo occur or is it just a spontaneous thing that occurs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBwrench Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Well I love my Outback. But I was in the position to afford the $5k when the engine died. But I am also out of college and have been working for 7 years. This would have been the worst car ever to have through college. MTBwrench is in college and dealing with it though.... Listen to this guy, he speaks wise words. Being in the position where I am, I will admit, is NOT ideal. This car has cost me a lot of money that I could've saved otherwise. Hell, if I had just been a responsible little college student and bought me a '98 Outback wagon, I would've been able to buy a '15 WRX and only needed to finance $10k for a small payment by this point! But... It's a risk I knew I was taking. And, honestly, until they make a big turbo wagon again, this thing fits my needs perfectly. But... Just to put things into perspective: I paid $4,500 for my wagon with 181,000 miles. The motor popped at 189,000 miles. I spent just about $9,000 on the rebuild/going stage 2. I still have at least another $600 in suspension maintenance left. I now own a $15,000 turbo heap with 203,000 miles on it. Worth it? Depends on your mindset and your wallet. Logic is no winner. I work 20 hours a week, on top of being a full time undergrad, because I have to pay the bills from this thing. Gas ain't cheap either. Paying for premium sucks. My one year anniversary with my wagon was a week and a half ago. So yeah, beware... I appreciate that much brotha I really do . It's not impossible but idk I seems like something I'm whiling to try ... If not I mind as well build my 00 ... I'm hoping it won't be the same price as compared to the GT ... Mine has 158xxx on it , if I could find a GT just taping 100xxx I wouldn't mind ... I would want to start building it so the problems that would occur I wouldn't really worry much . Does being a aggressive driver matter when failures to the turbo occur or is it just a spontaneous thing that occurs ? Turbo failure is due to mileage and maintenance history. There's a guy on here with around 200,000 miles on his stock turbo, but in reality after 125,000 it's a ticking time bomb. Mine was still just fine at 193,000. But then I upgraded. Being an aggressive driver can totally affect service life, as it'll live a harder life cycle. It'll also affect your motor's lifetime. Getting into boost a lot is hard on these motors, especially on the stock tune. I wouldn't "build" the Brighton. Stay stock, stay happy, and save that cash for your first real good car when you get your first good paying job. if I were to do it over, I would've waited till I graduated, and then tracked down a new Focus RS, CTS-V wagon, super low mileage Spec-B, or a black on black 5MT OBXT. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk MTBwrench's Stage 3 5EAT #racewagon 266awhp/255awtq @17.5psi, Tuned By Graham of Boosted Performance Everyone knows what I taste like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaQuan15 Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Listen to this guy, he speaks wise words. Being in the position where I am, I will admit, is NOT ideal. This car has cost me a lot of money that I could've saved otherwise. Hell, if I had just been a responsible little college student and bought me a '98 Outback wagon, I would've been able to buy a '15 WRX and only needed to finance $10k for a small payment by this point! But... It's a risk I knew I was taking. And, honestly, until they make a big turbo wagon again, this thing fits my needs perfectly. But... Just to put things into perspective: I paid $4,500 for my wagon with 181,000 miles. The motor popped at 189,000 miles. I spent just about $9,000 on the rebuild/going stage 2. I still have at least another $600 in suspension maintenance left. I now own a $15,000 turbo heap with 203,000 miles on it. Worth it? Depends on your mindset and your wallet. Logic is no winner. I work 20 hours a week, on top of being a full time undergrad, because I have to pay the bills from this thing. Gas ain't cheap either. Paying for premium sucks. My one year anniversary with my wagon was a week and a half ago. So yeah, beware... Turbo failure is due to mileage and maintenance history. There's a guy on here with around 200,000 miles on his stock turbo, but in reality after 125,000 it's a ticking time bomb. Mine was still just fine at 193,000. But then I upgraded. Being an aggressive driver can totally affect service life, as it'll live a harder life cycle. It'll also affect your motor's lifetime. Getting into boost a lot is hard on these motors, especially on the stock tune. I wouldn't "build" the Brighton. Stay stock, stay happy, and save that cash for your first real good car when you get your first good paying job. if I were to do it over, I would've waited till I graduated, and then tracked down a new Focus RS, CTS-V wagon, super low mileage Spec-B, or a black on black 5MT OBXT. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I just want to say I really appreciate the information you just gave me .. I never knew that they had problems so severe .. I see when you're dealing with a turbo it's a whole other ball park because you have to deal with not only the turbo going bad but the blow off , wastegate etc .. As far as maintenance what do you say is the worst thing to deal with with this vehicle , suspension , gas , head gaskets ? I love the knowledge I'm learning but not only that , I really enjoy this generations legacy but idk what I'm whiling to do . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaQuan15 Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Listen to this guy, he speaks wise words. Being in the position where I am, I will admit, is NOT ideal. This car has cost me a lot of money that I could've saved otherwise. Hell, if I had just been a responsible little college student and bought me a '98 Outback wagon, I would've been able to buy a '15 WRX and only needed to finance $10k for a small payment by this point! But... It's a risk I knew I was taking. And, honestly, until they make a big turbo wagon again, this thing fits my needs perfectly. But... Just to put things into perspective: I paid $4,500 for my wagon with 181,000 miles. The motor popped at 189,000 miles. I spent just about $9,000 on the rebuild/going stage 2. I still have at least another $600 in suspension maintenance left. I now own a $15,000 turbo heap with 203,000 miles on it. Worth it? Depends on your mindset and your wallet. Logic is no winner. I work 20 hours a week, on top of being a full time undergrad, because I have to pay the bills from this thing. Gas ain't cheap either. Paying for premium sucks. My one year anniversary with my wagon was a week and a half ago. So yeah, beware... Turbo failure is due to mileage and maintenance history. There's a guy on here with around 200,000 miles on his stock turbo, but in reality after 125,000 it's a ticking time bomb. Mine was still just fine at 193,000. But then I upgraded. Being an aggressive driver can totally affect service life, as it'll live a harder life cycle. It'll also affect your motor's lifetime. Getting into boost a lot is hard on these motors, especially on the stock tune. I wouldn't "build" the Brighton. Stay stock, stay happy, and save that cash for your first real good car when you get your first good paying job. if I were to do it over, I would've waited till I graduated, and then tracked down a new Focus RS, CTS-V wagon, super low mileage Spec-B, or a black on black 5MT OBXT. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It's quite ironic but I see myself as you . I was working 16 hours a week , plus school on top . Now I am currently working 39 hours a week as of this Monday and school on top ... I felt as if it would be nice to treat myself to something I've been wanting and now that I'm finally able to possibly afford it it's like do I really need it ... At that it's kind of weird but the insurance also seems to be lower if I were to get it . I think about the long term effects ... Yes insurance may be lower and I'm able to modify my vehicle the way I want , which means more great knowledge , or just stay true to my Brighton and modify that if I want .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battelready Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I just want to say I really appreciate the information you just gave me .. I never knew that they had problems so severe .. I see when you're dealing with a turbo it's a whole other ball park because you have to deal with not only the turbo going bad but the blow off , wastegate etc .. As far as maintenance what do you say is the worst thing to deal with with this vehicle , suspension , gas , head gaskets ? I love the knowledge I'm learning but not only that , I really enjoy this generations legacy but idk what I'm whiling to do . Id say the maintenance is not an issue , its just tedious when something breaks. LGTs are a pay to play type of car. I bought an auto be more involved in my uninvolvedness . 200k+ Club If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. My high mileage turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaQuan15 Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Id say the maintenance is not an issue , its just tedious when something breaks. LGTs are a pay to play type of car. Lol reminds me of a female , but I mean I'm just learning how to break down cars and stuff . I'm really interested in building and learning the legacy models .. I have a 3rd generation and I can't tell you how many times I've read both manuals . I'm interested in getting a GT for fun off course but to also learn the internal pieces of it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battelready Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Find a decent solid legacy and it ll last. Best ones are one owner or dealer queens like myn. I got myn with 206k miles on it but it spent its whole life either on the highway or at the same dealer. I bought an auto be more involved in my uninvolvedness . 200k+ Club If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. My high mileage turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaQuan15 Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Find a decent solid legacy and it ll last. Best ones are one owner or dealer queens like myn. I got myn with 206k miles on it but it spent its whole life either on the highway or at the same dealer. What's MYN stand for ? & that's amazing .. Subaru's are great because they're good for 300,000 if taken care of . Not only that but how many miles does she have on her now ? Any modifications? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battelready Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 What's MYN stand for ? & that's amazing .. Subaru's are great because they're good for 300,000 if taken care of . Not only that but how many miles does she have on her now ? Any modifications? My bad, i was on my phone . Its just means mine not myn. She has about 229k miles on her on the second block because it jumped timing . Past thousand or so miles are on a 16g kinguawa turbo with a grimmspeed intercooler up , down , crosspipe and valve body modification. Heres the car http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/05-obp-legacy-gt-245454.html?t=245454 I bought an auto be more involved in my uninvolvedness . 200k+ Club If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. My high mileage turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaQuan15 Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 My bad, i was on my phone . Its just means mine not myn. She has about 229k miles on her on the second block because it jumped timing . Past thousand or so miles are on a 16g kinguawa turbo with a grimmspeed intercooler up , down , crosspipe and valve body modification. Heres the car http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/05-obp-legacy-gt-245454.html?t=245454 Lol no worries bro , & that's a sweet setup . How long did it take you to add up all your parts and modify your GT ? & did you do the work yourself ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battelready Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 The car came with the suspension, wheels and exhaust. But ive been gathering since last summer when i got it . The inter cooler and turbo was 3 months ago. I own a shop with my brothers so the works been done by me , my brothers or one of our guys whos really good with motors. But it takes time and once its right , which is never, you'll get many smiles per gallon. I bought an auto be more involved in my uninvolvedness . 200k+ Club If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. My high mileage turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaQuan15 Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 The car came with the suspension, wheels and exhaust. But ive been gathering since last summer when i got it . The inter cooler and turbo was 3 months ago. I own a shop with my brothers so the works been done by me , my brothers or one of our guys whos really good with motors. But it takes time and once its right , which is never, you'll get many smiles per gallon. Sweet , Do you guys ship parts ? & I think I'm going to invest in it .. Lower insurance .. I'm going to continue to do my research and possibly try to pull one with less than 150,000 .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battelready Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Sweet , Do you guys ship parts ? & I think I'm going to invest in it .. Lower insurance .. I'm going to continue to do my research and possibly try to pull one with less than 150,000 .. Unfortunately not. But yea, the hunt takes awhile. I bought an auto be more involved in my uninvolvedness . 200k+ Club If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. My high mileage turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaQuan15 Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 Unfortunately not. But yea, the hunt takes awhile. I appreciate it much brotha . Thank you , one more question .. Have you had any major problems with her since ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battelready Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I appreciate it much brotha . Thank you , one more question .. Have you had any major problems with her since ? I would say any and all problems since me getting the car were a direct result of modifications done to the car and were always engine related. Actually , all my problems started when i bottomed out the car, my resonator hangs lower then frame , which snapped off my cat back but also pulled my downpipe , turbo ( which began leaking after awhile) , up pipe, and my crosspipe. Other then that, the Subaru tranny , at least the auto one , is really reliable and the motor only crapped the bed after the previous owner messed up the engine timing slightly. I bought an auto be more involved in my uninvolvedness . 200k+ Club If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. My high mileage turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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