Imprezsing04 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Alright, so we all know Subaru's concepts and their production vehicles look nothing alike. But apparently Subaru's chief designer Mamoru Ishii said that they will take the next generation Impreza in a direction that will "excite the marketplace" There are rumors it will look more like the concept car we all drooled over with a wider and more stanced bottom and a more narrow roofline. Could this all be true???? http://autoomobile.com/news/the-2016-xv-crosstrek-subaru-impreza-to-follow-the-wrx-concept/1006835/ If this is so, I will be holding off on a 2015 WRX and wait for the 2017 WRX... Post updates if you guys see anything! Spy shots, rumors, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 autoomobile and torque news are not news. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I also would guess Subaru isn't going to do a major redesign of the wrx after just 2 years. (Unless the Imprezza is more of sheet metal facelift). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imprezsing04 Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 I also would guess Subaru isn't going to do a major redesign of the wrx after just 2 years. (Unless the Imprezza is more of sheet metal facelift). Bugeye,blub eye, hawk eye. Three facelifts in 6 years 2008-2010 wrx sedan and hatch vs 2011-2014 wrx sedan and hatch. I think the plan is to start with the impreza that's been out since 2012 and then move the cues over to the wrx. I'm hoping 2017 I think Subaru realizes how numb the 2015 styling is that they need to spice it up. Just like the 2008-2010 wrx's autoomobile and torque news are not news.[/quote http://m.motortrend.com/wot/1406_subaru_wants_to_make_next_impreza_a_sexy_wrx_y_thing.html Motor trend? If not, I got my hopes up for nothing lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Bugeye,blub eye, hawk eye. Three facelifts in 6 years 2008-2010 wrx sedan and hatch vs 2011-2014 wrx sedan and hatch. Those are facelift examples, they shared the same chassis dimensions as each other of the same generation. I personally think its a real long shot that Subaru will move the WRX platform with the next gen Impreza after just 2 years. I would not wait on buying a new WRX because the Impreza is suppose to get more agressive styling and your speculating that it might carry over to the wrx. The wrx will probably gets its mid cycle refresh in '18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dga Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Yeah, I very highly doubt this as well. Remember that even if to the naked eye the WRX looks very close to the Impreza, it actually has different sheet metal stampings. Hence I believe that this design will last as long as the Impreza chassis does. You want to recoup the money on the stamping you just made. Plus Subaru's take on the Civic just came out anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imprezsing04 Posted August 28, 2014 Author Share Posted August 28, 2014 Those are facelift examples, they shared the same chassis dimensions as each other of the same generation. I personally think its a real long shot that Subaru will move the WRX platform with the next gen Impreza after just 2 years. I would not wait on buying a new WRX because the Impreza is suppose to get more agressive styling and your speculating that it might carry over to the wrx. The wrx will probably gets its mid cycle refresh in '18. I think Impreza/Crosstrek 2016 and WRX 2018 but the '18 wrx will come out in mid 2017. It may very well be sheetmetal changes but the new impreza is supposed to incorporate the new chasis design which will carryover to all future subarus. The 2012 civic was a bust in terms of styling so honda redesigned in 2013. I would say the current wrx design busted alot of people's hopes in terms of aggressiveness and perhaps they are ready to do a substantial refresh for 2018 Yeah, I very highly doubt this as well. Remember that even if to the naked eye the WRX looks very close to the Impreza, it actually has different sheet metal stampings. Hence I believe that this design will last as long as the Impreza chassis does. You want to recoup the money on the stamping you just made. Plus Subaru's take on the Civic just came out anyway. Yes, I know the wrx only shares the roof and some other small bits with the impreza but if sales decline, they are gonna want to step it up. Especially with the Golf R coming out and chances of other AWD turbo compacts coming in the near future: Dodge Dart SRT, Focus RS, Mazdaspeed 3, etc...the STI might get an FA. maybe an FA25? And the looks department might want to get refreshed too. This is why I posted in the Rumors section cause I just wanted people's opinions. What did Subaru say about the new civic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dga Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I honestly hope that Subaru is still concerned how well their only sport car does. If MazdaSpeed 3 comes out with AWD, I think that would get Subaru's attention. The last generation Speed 3 was very nice, but lacked one big thing for it to compete, in my mind anyway, AWD. Subaru has to move past the mindset that mediocre interior and exterior designs are OK and stiff competition will do this. I understand that it's hard to keep up in today's horsepower wars and that the days where the STI was a giant killer are long gone, but it's time to do something about the cars power. Just my tongue-in-cheek comment that the new Impreza is copying the look of the Civic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TYNY Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 i hope they don't change it too much, i have a 15 WRX on order, expecting it in a month but yeah wish it was more like the concept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 The current gen WRX so far isn't a sales bust; its monthly sales are better than other WRX monthly sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viber Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 The current Impreza gets it wrong in pretty much every possible way. It's as if Subaru didn't care beyond AWD because they know AWD is near non-existant in that segment. No competition leads to lazy complacency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imprezsing04 Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 I honestly hope that Subaru is still concerned how well their only sport car does. If MazdaSpeed 3 comes out with AWD, I think that would get Subaru's attention. The last generation Speed 3 was very nice, but lacked one big thing for it to compete, in my mind anyway, AWD. Subaru has to move past the mindset that mediocre interior and exterior designs are OK and stiff competition will do this. I understand that it's hard to keep up in today's horsepower wars and that the days where the STI was a giant killer are long gone, but it's time to do something about the cars power. Just my tongue-in-cheek comment that the new Impreza is copying the look of the Civic. The current Impreza gets it wrong in pretty much every possible way. It's as if Subaru didn't care beyond AWD because they know AWD is near non-existant in that segment. No competition leads to lazy complacency. Towards the end of the model year, the wrx was deemed old technology and phased out. Focus RS with supposedly awd: http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/future-cars/2016-ford-focus-rs-first-details-exclusive-insider-info?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1459_83112075 dodge dart awd: http://jalopnik.com/the-dodge-dart-srt-will-be-a-turbo-awd-wrx-fighter-1572339997 golf r: 296hp awd http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2015-volkswagen-golf-r-photos-and-info-news mazdaspeed: http://wot.motortrend.com/1408_mazda_lineup_to_grow_mazdaspeed3_arrives_late_2016.html its gonna be stiff competition soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Now it's no longer a question of being almost alone on the market with AWD for common customers, not it's a question of finding the next big key to attract customers. Subaru do have some dedicated engineers, which is in their favor. Unusual designs is a thing that they do have both as an advantage and disadvantage - like the bugeye, some hated it, others thought it was cute. And then it's the fight for customers while also trying to cope with all emissions regulations. The latter is what limits the access to fun variants to only a few select ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dga Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Bread and butter for Subaru are Oubacks, Foresters, Crosstreks, and Imprezas, while they've vanilla'd the Legacy to mainstream levels to start selling better. WRX and the STI are the only cars they really have that are fun to drive and desirable to buy in my mind. I hope they continue giving these two meaningful improvements and keep them up there with the competition. With any of the other cars they make, if you don't need AWD, you might as well buy a comparable Toyota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohclgt Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 wow, that focus rs seems like a monster! ~325hp + awd?? theyve got to be kidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viber Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Towards the end of the model year, the wrx was deemed old technology and phased out. Focus RS with supposedly awd: http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/future-cars/2016-ford-focus-rs-first-details-exclusive-insider-info?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1459_83112075 dodge dart awd: http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/future-cars/2016-ford-focus-rs-first-details-exclusive-insider-info?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1459_83112075 golf r: 296hp awd http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2015-volkswagen-golf-r-photos-and-info-news mazdaspeed: http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2015-volkswagen-golf-r-photos-and-info-news its gonna be stiff competition soon I'm certainly looking forward to more competition because it absolutely benefits the customer. I look at something like the Crosstrek. Snazzy little CUV, I'd love to buy one, but it is completely gimped by an awful engine, and one of the worst interiors and sound systems in the entire auto industry. Even the Outlander Sport feels like luxury in comparison. Even the Forester. It's completely bereft of semblance of interior quality and costs over $30k in top trim I hope the 2015 Outback and Legacy represent the future of Subaru interiors, materials and features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaijubei Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I'm certainly looking forward to more competition because it absolutely benefits the customer. I look at something like the Crosstrek. Snazzy little CUV, I'd love to buy one, but it is completely gimped by an awful engine, and one of the worst interiors and sound systems in the entire auto industry. Even the Outlander Sport feels like luxury in comparison. Even the Forester. It's completely bereft of semblance of interior quality and costs over $30k in top trim I hope the 2015 Outback and Legacy represent the future of Subaru interiors, materials and features. Hasn't the Legacy (limited) always been the home of Subaru's best interior (even if it isn't that great compared to the rest of the industry)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueWhiteBoy Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Towards the end of the model year, the wrx was deemed old technology and phased out. Focus RS with supposedly awd: http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/future-cars/2016-ford-focus-rs-first-details-exclusive-insider-info?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1459_83112075 dodge dart awd: http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/future-cars/2016-ford-focus-rs-first-details-exclusive-insider-info?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1459_83112075 golf r: 296hp awd http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2015-volkswagen-golf-r-photos-and-info-news mazdaspeed: http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2015-volkswagen-golf-r-photos-and-info-news its gonna be stiff competition soon You have two URLs for 4 cars The Mazda and Dodge ones aren't pointing to the right articles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imprezsing04 Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Bread and butter for Subaru are Oubacks, Foresters, Crosstreks, and Imprezas, while they've vanilla'd the Legacy to mainstream levels to start selling better. WRX and the STI are the only cars they really have that are fun to drive and desirable to buy in my mind. I hope they continue giving these two meaningful improvements and keep them up there with the competition. With any of the other cars they make, if you don't need AWD, you might as well buy a comparable Toyota. You forgot about the BRZ wow, that focus rs seems like a monster! ~325hp + awd?? theyve got to be kidding! Yeah, the Focus ST with FWD was enough to take some customers from Subaru. Focus RS would hopefully force Subaru to step it up. I just dont want all this competition and then everyone loses by trying to offer more for less and then never being able to recoup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imprezsing04 Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 You have two URLs for 4 cars The Mazda and Dodge ones aren't pointing to the right articles Just fixed them. Sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imprezsing04 Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 You have two URLs for 4 cars The Mazda and Dodge ones aren't pointing to the right articles For those too lazy to scroll back lol Towards the end of the model year, the wrx was deemed old technology and phased out. Focus RS with supposedly awd: http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/future-cars/2016-ford-focus-rs-first-details-exclusive-insider-info?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1459_83112075 dodge dart awd: http://jalopnik.com/the-dodge-dart-srt-will-be-a-turbo-awd-wrx-fighter-1572339997 golf r: 296hp awd http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2015-volkswagen-golf-r-photos-and-info-news mazdaspeed: http://wot.motortrend.com/1408_mazda_lineup_to_grow_mazdaspeed3_arrives_late_2016.html its gonna be stiff competition soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohclgt Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 For some reason your link still doesnt work for me, but I found the page you were referring to http://wot.motortrend.com/1408_mazda_lineup_to_grow_mazdaspeed3_arrives_late_2016.html Hopefully subaru will bring the back the LGT with 2.5DIT 6spd MT or the OBXT 6spd MT or something fun to drive that doesnt scream out stoplight-racer -.- . No offense to the WRX drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaskajoel Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 For some reason your link still doesnt work for me, but I found the page you were referring to http://wot.motortrend.com/1408_mazda_lineup_to_grow_mazdaspeed3_arrives_late_2016.html Hopefully subaru will bring the back the LGT with 2.5DIT 6spd MT or the OBXT 6spd MT or something fun to drive that doesnt scream out stoplight-racer -.- . No offense to the WRX drivers. If the 2015 Legacy came with the FA20DIT and a 6mt, I would have bought it instead. Until then, the WRX is just about the only choice for 6MT, Turbo, and AWD for under $30k that is even somewhat reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dga Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 You forgot about the BRZ... Nah...that was on purpose. No AWD, no power, it's not a Miata = fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imprezsing04 Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Nah...that was on purpose. No AWD, no power, it's not a Miata = fail. Lol I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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