Kharl Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Hi! guys! this is a 1993 Subaru Legacy Wagon that was sent to the shop for engine seals replacement since it was leaking oil, once there the mechanic told me to change some transmission seals and rings and that the hydraulic steering was also leaking... i said ok go and do it. After 5 days i pick upt the car and i notice it feels can of rough when accelerating and a little lack of power, when i arrive home i decide to do an underside inspection, and i found the following: -one of the bolts of the screws that connect the engine with the transmission was missing -the screw that hold the exhaust right after the transmission pan is missing (noise source) -both cv axles have a little play (some free movement that i need help to determine if is it normal nor if ti has to be completely stiff (the movement is at the join with the transmission) (i read in another forum that someone had the same roughness in the acceleration and then discovered that the cv axles were 2 inches out of the transmission case, mines are not out neither separated but have a free play at the connection with the transmission. since the timing belt was also changed, i suspect maybe it is not synchronized, but would have symptoms the whole engine speed range talking about the timing belt there is a sound coming from it, i have heard that sound in others Subaru, but not in mine, someone told me that sometimes the timing belt's material can cause that, but also told me that when i is too tight or too loose or is not properly fitted... my intention with this post, guys, is to acquire the most knowledge possible in order to be prepare to my next visit to the mechanics (within two days), because in the country i am living right now, even the dealership or the authorized representative of a brand is very prone to exercise very bad mechanic practice, that's something common here, you have absolutely no idea of the bad tricks and manners that local mechanics here have. Thank you a lot in advance guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp233 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Sounds like you got screwed by a shade-tree mechanic trying to make a quick buck. What country are you in? What engine/trans are we talking about here? CV axles - are you missing the spring pins?? There should be one spring pin that holds the axle into the side of the trans. New t-belts can sometimes make a little noise. Were any of the pulleys replaced, or the tensioner? Or just the belt itself. I hate to say it, but did you log your engine case and trans case numbers? It almost sounds like the engine was quickly swapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharl Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 Sounds like you got screwed by a shade-tree mechanic trying to make a quick buck. What country are you in? What engine/trans are we talking about here? CV axles - are you missing the spring pins?? There should be one spring pin that holds the axle into the side of the trans. New t-belts can sometimes make a little noise. Were any of the pulleys replaced, or the tensioner? Or just the belt itself. I hate to say it, but did you log your engine case and trans case numbers? It almost sounds like the engine was quickly swapped. Hi JP233!! i appreciate a lot your comment! i am in dominican republic, the engine is a EJ22 and the tranny is a 4EAT. about the CV axles, which spring pins are those? the one inside the cvjoints? i got confuse (probably something i dont know) when you mentioned a spring pin that HOLD, because the spring i have in mind, i guess it pushed outward both ends so it have some extension flexibility, but please explain me the one you mention. About the T-belt, Nope, only the t-belt was replaced. YEs i have recorded all my engine info, in pictures and pictures where i see numbers and that stuff, thank you for that advice!! it is the same yet:lol: i sent the car yesterday back to the workshop. The i am friend of the owner/manager, they are very nice persons, the problem is that, to the experience i have dealing with employee-business owner's relationship, they dont know how its employee are working i did even offer if he needs me to be there to check the whole process! i also told him that they needs someone, just one personnel, that check for the quality of all the processes to make sure everything is being done right. when i left him the car i told him to take all the time he needs, because i suspect that one of the causes i am am experiencing this with the car is because the used to work in a hurry, and i dont like that. and thats why i am in the forums gathering information so i am sure what to discuss when they try to tell me that all those noises are normal, that if they dont get with the problem that will be its solution to try to convince me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Maybe they have the timing belt misaligned like you thought. It could be off by a couple or three teeth. Also check for loose or cracked vacuum lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USLiberty Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Your noise is not the belt material. probably either the tensioner, pulley bearings, oil or water pump, all of which should be replaced around 100k-120k miles.preventative maintence is lots of $$, but murphys law is a bitch! "Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong" Also while your there the cam seals should be done, along with all water/oil rubber hoses and new clamps. All these parts can be found on ebay, rock auto, autozone or other parts suppliers. After that you dont have to worry about the front of the block for another 100kmiles. The timing belt should be set then rotated by the crank pulley/bolt 1 complete revolution so you can double check the marks before putting the covers on. I'm sure someone has a thread on how to do it yourself, if not I can take some photos out of my manual, but I'm quite busy so it may take a while. You can save a lot of money doing it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharl Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 Thank you for the answer guys I picked up the car yesterday, they didn't really told me what exactly was causing the loss of power and the engine roughness, the engine now fells good (the power is back, and the roughness went away, it is smooth again) BUT the noise, (t sounds like a howl) still is there, the shop manager told me that it is the hydraulic pump, hen I did a check and IS NOT the hydraulic pump. Also the noises under the car are gone, but the howl noise persist, and the cv axles still have a little play which they told me it is within normal range. I will record a little video clip with high quality audio so you can appreciate the noises, so any of you guys can identify any of the noises. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharl Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 Hi guys! here is a small video a made where it can be appreciated [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myy_42xTKZ8]Subaru, howl noise after timing belt change - YouTube[/ame] (despite the howl noise can be heard an intermittent shhrhrr noise at the left (the steering pump) the mechanic told me that must be replaced, and precisely today i notice it was overfilled, i remove about 4oz and the noise was gone,[the hydraulic pump noise not the howl noise] and after that i decide o check all the fluids levels, and the transmission [automatic] had almost 2 litters in excess !] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihada147 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 i thought that howling sound was just a characteristic of subaru engines in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharl Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 it was the main belt too tense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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