Jump to content
LegacyGT.com

sf.basilix

Members
  • Posts

    26
  • Joined

Everything posted by sf.basilix

  1. I just wanted to follow up on my original post for anyone who may have been following this thead. A full year later and after 4 oil consumption tests with 3 different dealers, Subaru finally realized the oil consumption was a problem. They did replace my short block and so far no oil consumption yet (although mine didn't happen for 14k miles so I'll have to wait and see. When I reached back out to the dealer (after Subaru fully inspected the faulty short block), they did concede and say that it was the piston rings. They told me the new block has different rings and this occurrence should not happen again. I'll follow back up if anything changes.
  2. my apologies for not writing it clear enough in my last post. My car was 5k miles through it's 6k mile oil change interval. I had less than 15k miles on my car when it occurred. It burned well over 1 quart of oil. The dealer always overfills my oil reservoir, and when the light came on, there was the smallest drop registering on the bottom of my dipstick when we pulled it out. (way below the low dot)
  3. point taken on my older vehicles, however, I've not heard of higher percentages of gasoline in engine oil keeping the levels high. Please source this information. Keeping true to the argument, however, please explain why my wife's 2015 Outback isn't burning any oil at all - and she's at 30k miles? Also explain to me the remaining 80% of subaru owners who aren't having this issue? (source: consumer reports) Also explain why the service technician at a Subaru dealership I visited said that every small block they've swapped out has not exhibited any oil consumption any more? My vehicle burned through more than 1 quart at 5000 miles. At 5,000 miles when my oil light came on, there was hardly any oil showing on the dipstick. That's beyond 1 quart and again Consumer Reports has stated that having to add oil *between* oil changes is not normal. Why do they know this is not normal? Because they test EVERY car in the industry and it's not normal. You're again missing the point but pointing out my anomaly - which is my argument. I'm not saying that vehicles are immune to manufacturing defects, what I am saying is that Subaru clamoring that burning 1 quart in 1200 miles is bogus - it's NOT normal and even your friend's Honda is validity to that truth since they changed the engine. There's no other owner's manual I've had that the vehicle manufacturer had to state such absurd numbers. I seriously don't understand why there's so many people actually defending the absurdity of Subaru on these boards. Are you guys employees or have stock in the company or something? For whatever it's worth, I just went out and purchased Amsoil and will try that and see if there's similar oil burning issues. If there is, my next step is to go to another dealer and do the test again, but this time I want the oil line to start at the top dot when the engine is dead cold - not overfilled by 1.5 quarts by some smart aleck dealer that doesn't want to deal with this issue.
  4. I've heard this similar comment from a Subaru tech as well. I haven't been able to verify it though.
  5. 1) I already said that small amounts of consumption is acceptable, 1/3 of a quart in 1200 miles is not. With regards to my last 9 vehicles (Toyota: 1986 Camry, 1989 Van - Oldsmobile: 1985 Cutlass Ciera - Hondas: 1986 Civic, 1991 Civic, 1999 Civic Si, 2000 Civic EX, 2002 Honda Odyssey, 2003 Honda Pilot) not ONE burned ANY oil significant enough for me to even notice a slight movement on the oil dipstick. So no it's NOT normal 2) Please do not forward to me some document from "todaysclass.com" with absolutely no references in the document at all and tell me it's an industry standard. If you open you eyes and read what industry standard means, you'll understand that document isn't it. Nevertheless, the document doesn't state what you think it states because you didn't read it right..... 3) ...for your own clarification, the document on page 13 actually states: "Most vehicle manufacturers define “excessive oil consumption” as consuming or using a US quart or more of engine oil in 1,000 miles or less of vehicle operation. Lesser rates of oil consumption are considered normal operation in almost every case." - First, they made NO reference to their comment of "most vehicle manufacturers", so that's an opinion - Second, it says that vehicle manufacturers define excessive oil consumption as such but in the next sentence it actually states "LESSER RATES of oil consumption are considered normal operation in almost every case" This actually negates the first sentence, but because they didn't want to define what "lesser rates" are, we do not have an "industry standard" - Third, not all motor companies are under class action lawsuits for this and even if they were, they would be selective in their models and years. None of my previous vehicle manuals ever stated in them that burning 1 quart of oil is normal in 1200 miles. In fact, I actually got a kick out of Subaru's manual for the 2015 Legacy. How ridiculous is it for them to classify just about *every* driving condition as normal for burning oil, as if to say these are the *only* conditions: Engine oil consumption Some engine oil will be consumed while driving. Under the following conditions, oil consumption can be increased and thus require refilling between maintenance intervals: . When the engine is new and within the break-in period . When the engine oil is of lower quality . When the incorrect oil viscosity is used . When engine braking is employed . When the engine is operated at high engine speeds . When the engine is operated under heavy loads . When towing a trailer . When the engine idles for long periods of time . When the vehicle is operated in stop and go and/or heavy traffic situations . When the vehicle is used under severe thermal conditions . When the vehicle accelerates and decelerates frequently Under these or similar conditions, you should check your oil at least every 2nd fuel fill-up and change your engine oil more frequently. If your oil consumption rate is greater than 1 quart every 1,200 miles or 1 liter every 2,000 kilometers, contact your SUBARU dealer who may perform a test under controlled conditions. Under these or similar conditions? Seriously Subaru, what *other* conditions are there? You should just come out and say "our engines burn oil" PERIOD And just so you know it's Subaru LAWYERS that make them put this in their manuals so they can use it in court and say that it was considered "normal" conditions for this to happen. This isn't normal, this is to keep them from further lawsuits.
  6. I'm going to put this in the poll thread as well, but I'm curious to all those who have oil consumption issues - what oil are you using? Have you gone to the dealer and used the Idemitsu? Or have you used better oil? For those who aren't having oil consumption issues, what oil are you using?
  7. uhhh... nope. none of my previous vehicles have ever burned oil. Even after 200k miles. While I understand that a small amount of oil burn is ok, this is outrageous. Industry Standard? Consumer Reports and many other outlets beg to differ: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/06/excessive-oil-consumption/index.htm There's also a large number of class action lawsuits that Subaru is losing against, so claiming that it's an industry standard actually isn't. If it truly was an industry standard, there would be a majority of vehicles consuming this much oil. Currently it's about 2%, so I'd hardly classify that as an industry standard. In addition, if this was "normal" I should have been told that when I bought the car I'd have to not only fill it with gas, but oil. Never a mention, even when I asked.
  8. Unfortunately Subaru won't do anything for my car until it's gulping oil at a rate of 1/3 quart per 1200 miles. (Absolutely absurd) I'm also curious - can anyone tell me what your oil looks like after 200 miles? After 500 miles? I know color means very little, but in all my vehicles I've had before Subaru I could change the oil and go at least a thousand miles before the oil started going from a honey color to a brown color. The other day I did about 150 miles and when I checked my oil it was already brown. There has to be something wrong.
  9. Just curious - has anyone done anything to their legacy's to stop oil consumption? Has anyone tried using Lucas oil additive or even a thicker oil? Was anyone successful and if so, was your MPG affected?
  10. it's the same oil - at least I suppose it to be. Went to the same dealer I bought the vehicle from to change it all 3 times.
  11. I've come across that consumer report article before and it kills me that Subaru can claim this is "normal" when only 1-2% of their vehicles have this "problem". If the majority of vehicles DONT have this problem, then those who do are the exception and it's *not* normal. This is clearly a manufacturing quality control issue. I wish I could find out what's triggering the consumption all of a sudden. My first two oil changes didn't have this issue, just this last one. I don't know if anyone else has this issue can comment on whether it's long distance driving, hot temperatures, cold temperatures or can indicate any type of conditions which worsen it.
  12. So for clarification, no I do not beat on my car. In fact I baby the vehicle because I keep my cars until they die. My last Honda Pilot had well over 200k miles on it and I did every service required in the manual. I even break in the vehicles per what they asked me to do (don't rev the engine, don't keep the RPMs steady, etc). I have never beaten on this car ever. The only modification I ever did was add a stronger rear sway bar - not because I take turns hard, but because the vehicle cannot stay in it's lane when I'm going over 60mph and there's high wind or I'm passing a truck (yes, the alignment is correct, and yes the sway bar helped alot) My car has about 14k miles on it. I have had oil changes consistently according to the book - every 6k miles - in fact, I even changed the oil the first 400 miles (through the dealership) because I've read many places that shards of metal can come loose on new components and damage other components. The same dealership has all my records. When this happened, I was about 5k miles through the actual 6k mile oil change - so I had another 1k left before the oil should have been changed. When they pulled the dipstick out, there was barely a drop of oil on the bottom of the dipstick - way below the bottom dot. What really irritates me is that the one mechanic actually told me that for some Subarus that have this problem, replacing the short block fixes it and he's never had a complaint about it reoccurring with the same owners. That being the case, why doesn't Subaru acknowledge this manufacturing defect? What irks me even more is my wife has the EXACT same engine in her 2015 (same year) Outback. She's not burning ANY oil at all. I noticed someone else commented on smelling anti-freeze in their vehicle when they run it for a while. I have noticed this also. When I go on long trips (2+ hours) after I turn off my vehicle I also smell antifreeze. In addition, I was never able to achieve the MPG stated when I purchased the vehicle. My wife's Outback states 34 highway and we get that every time. My car *no matter how much I baby it* can get 36 MPG. In addition, the meter built into the vehicle is always off by about 2 MPG AVG. Some may say that's acceptable, but again when my wife's car is doing everything perfectly well, and my car is not - it's telling me that Subaru has a manufacturing issue. I recall many years ago that Ford had a similar issue with their Mustangs. Certain models were producing more HP and better quality than others. As it turned out, they found the problem to be the machining around the pistons. If they didn't swap out the drill soon enough, the threshold for error was increased and engines were not working as advertised. In any event this is absolutely killing me. If Subaru won't fix this problem I'm thoroughly done with Subaru and will contact any lawyer I can to get this resolved. I don't have time to babysit a 13k mile BRAND NEW vehicle. I buy new cars because I don't want to deal with the troubles of used cars. This is officially a waste of my money and time.
  13. So I guess Subaru didn't fix the problem even in the new generation legacy's. Yesterday my 2015 Legacy, with less than 20k miles, had the oil light come on and yes, there was hardly any oil on the dipstick. I immediately took it to the dealer and they told me that they would like to do an oil consumption test. I asked them what would happen if they found it to be an issue and they said they have to change the short block of the engine. (basically rebuild it) My car has less than 20k miles and my engine has to be rebuilt?? Seriously Subaru! I'm grateful that Subaru is willing to warrantee this, but come on - this is a BRAND NEW CAR with less than 20k miles. I did not pay $30k+ to have an engine reconstructed on a new car! And for what it's worth the oil consumption test is for only 1200 miles, NOT the 6k mile change (synthetic). I highly doubt the oil will move much at 1200 miles, but we'll see. (One thing to note also, I found out Subaru lowered the mileage for Synthetic oil changes in 2015 - they reduced the interval from 7,500 miles to 6,000 miles - most likely so people don't notice it's burning oil!) Consumer Reports also lists Subaru engines as one of the worst for burning oil and has stated that this is NOT normal. Subaru in 2015 was just dropped from JD Power completely. My guess is that this oil issue is to blame. This is not what I expected from a new car. My second subaru and most likely it will be my last until I see a good 10 year run from Subaru with no more oil burning or gasket issues. Very upset subaru!
  14. Firepyro: I am thinking of using this same setup for my 2015 legacy also. How did this work out for you? Was the sway bar the exact same size? (How did you know it was the same before ordering?) If it wasn't the same, how far off were they and should I get spacers? Did you also replace your end-links or did you order new ones? I was thinking of getting kartboy because stock looks like it will snap, but just don't want to spend that much on endlinks. For anyone else: did anyone confirm if the 2014 legacy is the same as the 2015 legacy? Kartboy didn't have endlinks for the 2015 and said they haven't measured them yet.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use